From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 15746@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo Liu <sdl.web@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#15746: 24.3; [PATCH] bookmark should confirm when overwrite
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 23:31:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r4b35qh5.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e3520eb0-b7cb-41e8-804c-e9e657f0b3fd@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT)")
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>You seem to be turning things around, as if the proposal gave users
>a choice and I were arguing against that or I were arguing only
>about a different default behavior. Look at the proposed patch,
>please.
Oh, sure, I saw the patch. I saw it as a starting point; subsequent
discussion (before my mail, IIRC) turned to the question of providing a
customizeable behavior, so that both ways were available. In any case,
I assumed that potential customization was so obvious we were clearly
just talking about the question of what the default should be. I see
now that I should have made that assumption more explicit, however.
>It seems that you have not recognized the silent-update use case,
>and so have not understood why the proposed change would be
>annoying, hence why users need a choice here. I hope you understand
>it now.
Actually, no -- not only do I recognize it, it is the majority use case
for me as well. I just don't think it's good as a default, that's all.
>No. A variable is not user friendly. There should be two different
>commands, bound to two different keys. It is about different use
>cases - for different contexts. It is not about different users,
>some of whom always want silent updating and some of whom always
>want confirmation querying.
That's another solution, hmmm, but it seems to me it complexifies the
user interface a bit (it adds another binding in the keyspace, which the
user then cannot avoid encountering when looking at the available bound
commands -- whereas a variable is something they only need to deal with
if/when they go looking for it, read the documentation, etc). So I'm
not sure which way is better; I think we might be down to the "tyranny
of small differences" at that point :-).
>Providing a variable as the only means to silently update does
>not provide equal flexibility.
>
>There is no need for a discussion about defaults (except for which
>command goes on which key), if you provide two different commands
>bound to two different keys. And that really *does* provide
>"equal flexibility".
As far as that assertion goes, it is true, yes. It doesn't address the
keyspace complexity issue.
I guess I'll ponder, and then commit some patch. It need not be the
final patch, but 90% of the code is the same either way and I'd like to
get that part into the codebase so we can discuss the other 10%.
Best,
-K
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-30 4:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-29 3:32 bug#15746: 24.3; [PATCH] bookmark should confirm when overwrite Leo Liu
2013-10-29 14:20 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-29 18:24 ` Karl Fogel
2013-10-29 20:09 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-29 20:51 ` Karl Fogel
2013-10-29 22:16 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-30 4:31 ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2013-10-30 14:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-30 2:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-30 2:35 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-30 2:56 ` Leo Liu
2013-10-30 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-30 3:36 ` Leo Liu
2013-10-30 3:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-30 14:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-30 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-30 1:28 ` Leo Liu
2013-10-30 2:26 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-08 19:27 ` bug#15746: Fix committed to master Karl Fogel
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