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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165586 Archived-At: John Yates writes: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I see no reason for these features to be connected to a style. >  They > can easily be separate; keeping them separate will make it easier > for > users to specify arbitrary combinations of them. > > > Is that really the goal? > > When I started programming 45 years ago I wrote in the only language > available for system programming: assembler.  I hand laid out every > looping construct.  I hand allocated every register.  I was entirely > on my own to identify and enforce all necessary conventions.  Using a > high level language deprives me of some of the fine control I once > had.  In exchange though I can contemplate and even complete > radically larger designs.  I am extremely grateful for a limited > vocabulary of loops, for entirely automatic register allocation and > for languages that enforce strong typing. > > I am unmoved by the prospect of being able to specify entirely > arbitrary combinations of all formatting elements at any and every > point in my documents. Well, of course, a well structured document can be laid out automatically and produce quite readable a document. However, it seems to me that we encounter frequently enough local layout or typographical problems that require manual intervention. So I wouldn't discard the possibility of editing locally the style, only applicable on a single character, word, paragraph, whatever the structural elements that need to be tuned. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/