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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com>
Cc: chad <yandros@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs completion matches selection UI
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:29:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r498yi45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878uvhe0f6.fsf@gmail.com>

Aaron Ecay writes:

 > In this vein, it may be useful to think of the CompletionUI package
 > <http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CompletionUI>.  Quoting from the
 > EmacsWiki description, presumably written by the author: “Typically, a
 > lot of code in packages providing some kind of text completion deals
 > with the user interface. The goal of CompletionUI is to be the
 > swiss-army knife of in-buffer completion user-interfaces, which any
 > source of completions can plug in to, thus freeing completion package
 > writers to concentrate on the task of finding the completions in the
 > first place.”

+1 to that, but does CompletionUI achieve the goal?

 > Perhaps predictably <http://xkcd.com/927/>, the goal of other completion
 > package writers adopting this system seems to have gone unrealized.  But
 > maybe if a similar system were “blessed” by being included in emacs core
 > (tied to the existing completion-at-point-functions) things might go
 > better.

"Blessing" does help, a lot, but the big problem with systems of this
kind is that they *don't* achieve the goal, for several reasons:

1. The various gadgets on a Swiss Army knife are most useful if you
   don't have access to a workbench with fullsize versions.  So while
   the "Swiss Army knife" metaphor is standard in this kind of thing,
   a more accurate metaphor is "Snap-On toolbox on casters".  Are the
   gadgets in CompletionUI Snap-On-quality professional tools?

2. Are they sufficiently customizable by apps, while providing
   sufficient capability with very simple usage so that they make
   sense for use in RAD prototypes, then tweaked as the prototype is
   converted to a full-blown app?

3. Is the customization user-oriented, so that the programmer just
   plugs them in once, and users can easily choose the styles they
   prefer?  Bonus points if it's easy for programmers to provide a
   suite of defaults without hardcoding them in API calls.

4. Are both the APIs and UIs well-documented?  This goes a long way to
   alleviating the issue in #1, as initial adopters quickly fix bugs,
   improve interfaces, and adding features.






  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-19 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-18 16:13 Emacs completion matches selection UI Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-18 20:00 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-11-18 20:54   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 21:15   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19  0:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19  9:52       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-19 13:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19 14:00           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-19 14:58             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19 17:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19 21:07                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20  0:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20  1:30                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20  3:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 17:52                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 19:10                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 20:00                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 15:57                     ` Josh
2013-11-21  0:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-21  3:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  0:10                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-22  7:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 12:33                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-25 13:28                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-25 15:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-16 15:17                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-16 18:35                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-16 22:15                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-17  2:10                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-17 10:49                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-17 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-17 20:59                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18  1:58                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18  3:09                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18  4:47                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18 14:43                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 15:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-18 16:38                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 17:05                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-18 17:18                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 17:37                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18 19:05                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 21:11                                                               ` chad
2013-12-19  3:40                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-19 15:49                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-19 17:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-19 18:44                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-19 21:44                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20  1:15                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20  3:06                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20  3:08                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20 11:49                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20 13:18                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20 14:59                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-22  1:45                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22  2:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-22 11:07                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 16:07                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-22 22:50                                                                                             ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el (was: Emacs completion matches selection UI) Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23  0:17                                                                                               ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23  1:11                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23  1:32                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-16 13:12                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-16 16:06                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-16 17:39                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-17 13:04                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-18 14:13                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19  2:37                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 16:44                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19 20:19                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 20:44                                                                                                                 ` David Engster
2014-01-20  0:13                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20  2:14                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20  2:39                                                                                                                     ` John Yates
2014-01-20  3:22                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20  7:10                                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 14:22                                                                                                                         ` John Yates
2014-01-20 14:55                                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 15:09                                                                                                                           ` clang vs free software (was: enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el) Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20 19:47                                                                                                                             ` clang vs free software David Engster
2014-01-21 14:42                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-21 15:02                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-21 15:20                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-22 15:31                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-22 17:24                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-21 15:34                                                                                                                                 ` John Yates
2014-01-21 16:00                                                                                                                                   ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 16:25                                                                                                                                     ` joakim
2014-01-21 16:34                                                                                                                                       ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 16:38                                                                                                                                         ` joakim
2014-01-21 18:50                                                                                                                                           ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 18:00                                                                                                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-21 18:44                                                                                                                                           ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-23 10:55                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-23 11:01                                                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-23 14:26                                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-25 23:02                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-25 23:28                                                                                                                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-26  1:35                                                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26  6:45                                                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 12:13                                                                                                                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-26 12:35                                                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26 14:45                                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 20:06                                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 20:06                                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 10:22                                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-26 11:12                                                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 12:36                                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-26 14:54                                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 20:06                                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 15:12                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-26 15:15                                                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26 15:35                                                                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 15:46                                                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-23 16:35                                                                                                                                       ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-23 18:04                                                                                                                                         ` David Engster
2014-01-22  2:06                                                                                                                                 ` unic0rn
2014-01-20 15:57                                                                                                                           ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20  3:32                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-20 13:59                                                                                                                         ` John Yates
2014-01-20 14:30                                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 17:01                                                                                                                             ` John Yates
2014-01-20  2:17                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 16:54                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19 20:21                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 23:57                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20  2:20                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20  2:33                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20 13:41                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23  1:36                                                                                             ` Emacs completion matches selection UI Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23  2:12                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23 13:33                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-20  1:19                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20  1:17                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20 14:32                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-20 15:54                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-21  3:32                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-21  4:58                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-22  2:05                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 23:15                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23  1:59                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 12:28                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23 13:42                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 14:52                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-30 20:47                                                                                     ` Toby Cubitt
2013-12-31  0:20                                                                                       ` Leo Liu
2013-12-31  7:48                                                                                         ` joakim
2013-12-31 14:30                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-31 15:52                                                                                         ` Toby Cubitt
2013-12-31 17:45                                                                                           ` joakim
2014-01-02 18:54                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-02 18:10                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 17:49                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 19:36                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  0:48                                                                                               ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04  3:45                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  4:47                                                                                                   ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 23:38                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07  3:57                                                                                                   ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04  9:21                                                                                               ` João Távora
2014-01-06 23:21                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-02 20:20                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-02 22:58                                                                                             ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03  2:40                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 14:30                                                                                                 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 16:23                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-03 16:48                                                                                                     ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 19:32                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 22:06                                                                                                         ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04  3:39                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  4:00                                                                                                             ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 16:35                                                                                               ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 17:46                                                                                                 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-04  2:39                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-04  3:54                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05  4:08                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-05 16:04                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  4:25                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06  5:25                                                                                                         ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06  2:39                                                                                                 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06  4:03                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  5:35                                                                                                     ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06  5:55                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06 14:47                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 15:54                                                                                                         ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 20:53                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 23:45                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-06  7:36                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06 15:51                                                                                                     ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-07  0:17                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-07  3:32                                                                                                         ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-07 23:23                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-08  2:58                                                                                                             ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-08  3:38                                                                                                               ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-08  3:47                                                                                                                 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-08  9:27                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-08 15:37                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08  4:49                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 15:33                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 16:11                                                                                                                   ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-09  7:12                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23 13:45                                                                               ` John Yates
2013-12-23 16:02                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-24  2:47                                                                                   ` John Yates
2013-12-28 14:02                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-28 16:43                                                                                       ` John Yates
2013-12-30 12:55                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-30 16:32                                                                                           ` João Távora
2014-01-04 23:02                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05  2:13                                                                                               ` João Távora
2014-01-05 16:11                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 23:48                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07  3:15                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 16:13                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 17:18                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2014-01-07 18:10                                                                                                         ` Josh
2014-01-07 19:42                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-01-08  3:54                                                                                                             ` Josh
2014-01-07  3:16                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 16:12                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-28 15:59                                                                                     ` João Távora
2013-12-28 17:00                                                                                       ` John Yates
2013-12-28 17:40                                                                                         ` Josh
2013-12-19  4:53                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19  5:45                                                                   ` chad
2013-12-19  7:03                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19  7:59                                                                       ` Aaron Ecay
2013-12-19 15:29                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2013-12-19 17:41                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-19 18:46                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20  0:53                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19  6:23                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-19 16:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 10:17               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-21 16:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  5:38                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 15:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 10:03                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-19 13:48       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19 18:03         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20  0:10         ` Gregor Zattler
2013-11-20  1:25           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 17:59             ` John Yates
2013-11-19  0:47     ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-19 11:18       ` Tom
2013-11-19 14:00         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20  0:45           ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-20  7:34             ` martin rudalics
2013-11-20  7:50               ` Tom
2013-11-21  0:45               ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-21  7:41                 ` martin rudalics
2013-11-22  0:18                   ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-22 10:26                     ` martin rudalics
2013-11-19 19:44       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-20  7:39         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-11-19 17:33 ` Sebastian Wiesner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-30 20:35 Barry OReilly
2014-01-01 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier

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