From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Trunk still not open Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:34:57 +0900 Message-ID: <87r464luge.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <6xwqfxhl88.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83txb1mcsy.fsf@gnu.org> <87siqlku0i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqfxari2.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394807708 11207 80.91.229.3 (14 Mar 2014 14:35:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 14 15:35:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WOTCf-0004nk-4z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:35:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45059 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOTCe-0005aA-NV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:35:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOTCV-0005PK-MI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOTCO-0005By-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:53684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOTCO-0005Bi-1z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:35:00 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA1A970902; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:34:57 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E9F31A28DC; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:34:57 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87wqfxari2.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 2a0f42961ed4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170361 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > I really wish the project went with "no-push-without-tests" requirement > instead, first. > > As for docs, I apologize (being one of the culprits), but as I rarely, > if ever, read the manual, one can understand how I can forget its > existence from time to time. I'd like to tests too, but Emacs never had a serious policy about testing. Docs are another matter. Requiring tests is not just about the release cycle; it's about changing the whole process. Anyway, they're closely related. If you don't have docs, you don't know what to test. If you don't have tests, well, good luck keeping docs and reality in synch.