From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:52:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87r44ha7dh.fsf@web.de> References: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398693222 3699 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2014 13:53:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:53:42 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 15:53:35 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Welzx-0005Y7-NR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:53:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44045 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Welzx-00014t-C6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Welze-0000yy-IN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:53:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WelzU-0007q5-QK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:53:14 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WelzU-0007q1-Iu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WelzQ-0004rb-0d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:53:00 +0200 Original-Received: from ip-90-187-186-137.web.vodafone.de ([90.187.186.137]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:53:00 +0200 Original-Received: from michael_heerdegen by ip-90-187-186-137.web.vodafone.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:53:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-90-187-186-137.web.vodafone.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fUONLjk+UQ3+ujCgrkbKYU+fmQw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97414 Archived-At: Hans BKK writes: > Your comment that you don't recommend either for emacs noobs - is that > because it will stop me learning the stock vanilla ways of completion > or simply because of the difficulties inherent in getting to know > these complex packages? I did not want to dissuade from starting with Helm or Icicles, I just don't know if it's a good idea. Depends on your way of learning, probably. Icicles and Helm are quite complex and offer substitutes for diverse tools in Emacs. Learning Emacs that way may let you miss some basic stuff and features of vanilla Emacs. I don't want to discourage you from starting with Helm or Icicles. If you think it'll work for you, then just try it. If you are getting confused, you can still put Helm or Icicles back for a later moment. In any case, reading the manual (C-h r) is a must. Regards, Michael.