From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87r3w283be.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> <20141214082243.77ea5690@Yoda> <87zjaq8f2k.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ppbmrs7c.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418583654 24631 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 19:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:00:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 20:00:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EPO-0007le-EE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:00:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36884 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EPN-0001iD-R2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:00:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49291) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EP3-0001hG-LL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:00:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EOy-000811-KL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:00:25 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EOy-00080x-D8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:00:20 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0EOw-0006pa-HI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:00:18 +0100 Original-Received: from 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([88.10.128.129]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:00:18 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:00:18 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:T0Rds0+RnM+3dZvB6ab7I5+4aDg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101583 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2014-12-14, at 15:46, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > >> Paul Rankin writes: >> >>> History has been full of groups who use their majority to arbitrarily >>> strip the rights away from a minority. They had ways of rationalising it >>> away too. Just be sure of who you're aligning yourself with. >> >> I suspect you have the typical capitalistic, myopic financial interest >> on this topic. Otherwise is hard to understand why you say this things. >> >> The entertainment industry is at the forefront on the attack to free >> speech, individual privacy and creativity. They are pushing for a police > > Just to be precise: what is at the forefront on the attack to free > speech is the idea of "political correctness". I was viewing the issue from a different POV: for implementing the legal measures demanded by the entertainment industry it is necessary to create a surveillance infrastructure. If the clandestine surveillance schemas revealed by Snowden are frightening, the consequences of having such *legal* device are overwhelming. It is true that others are putting in place the Internet Police State with other stated motivatios ("think of the children", terrorism...) but the entertainment industry has a very effective method: famous, admired, good-looking people saying that it is a noble goal. > Though it might be the > case that the media industry (which is something broader than the > entertainment industry) is right behind it. Yes. It is a confluence of groups fighting for the same goal because of different reasons.