From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UP and DOWN with multi-line minibuffer history Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:45:20 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87r3ioegmq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83wpsj6978.fsf@gnu.org> <87y4czz63l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lh8y5q3k.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1u9vqni.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83d1u94s23.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1450139663 5498 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2015 00:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 01:34:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a8dZG-0000cN-29 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:34:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8dZF-0003US-9E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:34:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8dYy-0003TK-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:33:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8dYx-00074Z-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:33:56 -0500 Original-Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:51328 helo=homiemail-a23.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8dYu-00071a-2X; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from homiemail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B364B006D; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:33:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m83-180-31-224.cust.tele2.ee [83.180.31.224]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by homiemail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E18484B0063; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d1u94s23.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 14 Dec 2015 05:39:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 69.163.253.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196277 Archived-At: >> So the question at hand can be considered as Consistency vs. Convenien= ce, >> i.e. trying to achieve consistency at the cost of losing convenience. > > Yes, it's consistency vs minor inconvenience in certain use cases. I > think consistency should win big time. It's not minor inconvenience, it renders navigating multi-line items unus= able. >> I invite you and everyone interested to try this change for a few days >> to see its real effect. > > I think we should install such a change and see if there are any > complaints. Several people already agreed with my suggestion for how > it should work. This change sounds good in theory, but fails in practice. We already have sevaral complaints against this change, and no complaints about the current behavior. So why change what is working well?