From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Help setting up POP3 email (rmail) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87r3fyiyri.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87wppvc52x.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87d1rlu0v9.fsf@debian.uxu> <8737sfjlce.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456545971 28031 80.91.229.3 (27 Feb 2016 04:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:06:11 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 27 05:06:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8k-0003T5-IC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:05:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53249 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8j-0000NL-TM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:05:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33752) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8a-0000N0-4T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:05:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8V-0001HS-4a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:05:48 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8U-0001HN-Tz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:05:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aZW8R-0003IU-K2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:05:39 +0100 Original-Received: from nl106-137-170.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.170]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:05:39 +0100 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-170.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:05:39 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 67 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-170.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:G2QZT+Zi1ZA/+9z9jEQnLAMsueU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109333 Archived-At: John Mastro writes: > I don't know anything about POP3 or Rmail Rmail is a mail-reader which you can hook to your mailbox by means of the POP or IMAP protocols (Post Office Protocol and Internet Message Access Protocol). It is an Emacs interface to using those protocols and a mail server, and then having the result organized, basically. You can also use Rmail as an interface to send mails - you can use the data displayed by Rmail to populate a message buffer, and then send it. But the message mode is actually Gnus! RMS, big-time mail writer and Rmail user, said about it that: Rmail is the primary Emacs mail-reader. I don't know how many people currently use it, but I will ignore any suggestion to treat it as unimportant. Well, no one is saying Rmail is unimportant but compared to Gnus it is very primitive even if you don't consider everything else that comes with Gnus that doesn't come with Rmail. For example Rmail stores every mail in a single file! This makes it a pain doing anything with it with common shell tools. It is very un-Unixy which isn't a matter of principle but an obstacle dealing with it. So Gnus is, apart from everything else it does which is alot, a much more powerful mail-reader than Rmail. The word "primary" is... well, something! as both Gnus and Rmail comes with Emacs out of the box. Rmail should not be confused with the shell tool rmail which has to do with ancient UUCP technology. The POPs including POP3 are 80s protocols on the TCP/IP stack that fetch mail batch style, by default deleting them on the mail server when done downloading the to the disk. Compared to IMAP POP is much simpler which is why it is still around. IMAP supports simultaneous connections to a mailbox, and also a mail directory structure which POP doesn't. IMAP can also do stuff to the material on the server while POP basically gets the data and then deletes it (on the server). Any questions? :) PS. When Lumumba was campaigning in Congo he always ended his speeches with that question. There were never any questions, because if they were, the person who asked was beaten up after the meeting was concluded. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573