From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:53:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87r3b8axod.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87k2h45wzm.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467743317 7346 80.91.229.3 (5 Jul 2016 18:28:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 20:28:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKV59-00021E-V0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:28:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57072 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKV58-0007T0-Vl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:28:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKSfk-0005zY-HV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKSfh-0007i3-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:54:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:39900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKSfg-0007hk-R1; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA2514792; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:53:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PxSVgOBh9oXd; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:53:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (apn-77-112-87-171.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [77.112.87.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4D141478F; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:53:38 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.50.3 In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205189 Archived-At: On 2016-07-03, at 02:06, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > By typing a letter or other "normal ASCII character", you insert it. > > You move point with arrow keys of C-b/C-f/C-n/C-p. > > By pressing C-a and C-e, you get to the beginning/end of line. > > By pressing DEL, you delete a character before point. > > By pressing C-d, you delete a character after point. > > That is simply basic Emacs usage. That was my point! (Or one of my points.) That Org is built on top of Emacs, it's not a "separate editor". > > By typing one or more asterisks followed by space at the beginning of > > a line, you start a heading (like in vanilla Emacs' Outline mode). > > By pressing TAB when point is on a headline, you cycle through various > > possible visibility states. > > This feature seems to make sense, but I don't see that it does something > useful for me. Well, it does something useful for a lot of people. This is also a point about Org: various people find various parts of Org useful. I almost never run code embedded in Org files, for instance, but I use clocking on a daily basis. OTOH, I have yet to use effort estimates. And so on. On a more serious note, did anyone recommend Carsten Dominik's talk from 2008 (http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-screencasts/org-mode-google-tech-talk.html)? Even though it's been ages ago, and Org acquired a lot of nice things since then, I find it a good introduction to Org; also, it shows the main motivation for Org's development. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University