From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VC menu ? Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:31:25 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87r2xsjun6.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <878tk1erfz.fsf@holos> <87y3s1ll4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d19d6pf3.fsf@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499430879 18599 195.159.176.226 (7 Jul 2017 12:34:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:34:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 14:34:35 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTSSx-0004dD-7A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:34:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTST2-0001eW-K5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:34:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTSQQ-0000Em-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTSQM-00023A-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=51554 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTSQL-00022r-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:31:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTSQD-0004td-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:31:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:0oLkS8DeBUgBdejJ+aEZKA/mIoE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216268 Archived-At: On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:50:24 -0400 Mark Oteiza wrote: MO> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza wrote: MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs manual or MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been aware of VC. >> >> I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of the GUI >> experience. MO> I agree. It's but one of many useful self-documenting facilities in MO> Emacs. Unfortunately the original poster thinks the others are silly and MO> that the menu should spoon feed. That's not the impression I got, and would prefer to talk about the proposal rather than people's thoughts. Also, I think many of our discussions here tend to see Emacs users as experts with 10+ years of experience (survivor bias). Anyhow, my position is that the VC menu is as essential today as the Recent and Buffers menus and should be at the top. As a compromise, maybe we can show VC by default, but also have an option in the VC menu to "Don't show VC menu at top, put it under Tools." That way annoyed users can move it out easily. Ted