From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs/Mutt and Efail or OpenPGP is safer than S/MIME? Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 09:16:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87r2ma3g68.fsf@gmail.com> References: <878t8lfgu3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526541362 22098 195.159.176.226 (17 May 2018 07:16:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 07:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: oub@mat.ucm.es, Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 17 09:15:57 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJD8n-0005cN-9l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 09:15:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39382 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJDAu-0004z0-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 03:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJD9k-0004yY-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 03:16:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJD9f-0003Xn-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 03:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235]:37151) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJD9f-0003Xf-BK; Thu, 17 May 2018 03:16:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr0-x235.google.com with SMTP id h5-v6so4477562wrm.4; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-followup-to:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=Tc28LEcRNz9ZrVCrkHNVHK6npVLPrMR/9fbD1FUbuLw=; b=S3uBJQNw4Kq5I96TvFLitAyTSIJb/Ee0z3lJ+T3nWd5K4CHL3p7S7w6upms56lNZc4 RKI3MFEnldvDbV6mRxsgCC0/Zd5vmayo4+kxJkqcBJwu6fYmtqWvsrCqiQetZ4M38aws OtiEo1374k5oTq1ghedKy+DIJelF4fdomddez5JCS6Xj3uaX/XzTpXe2XjfjuG9w3Ujq eRq63LsG1WBjeX5zOmRZHy9rSruM16JjA5a3OecDu1VTjH2PAv5iIlGVBz7jYiDhsUzl Vc1scDjfb1UpGlmlJiDi0kwHJn7Rrj+NsDzQ80U5/4Oe82SGQlH8HqDx11xSMpuIOI7G cYjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-followup-to :mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=Tc28LEcRNz9ZrVCrkHNVHK6npVLPrMR/9fbD1FUbuLw=; b=R9rFll/03bsuxA1aEa1i2wH45KFVFq6VFE+w7WK+W6jt6FG9jTvmfVW+miedcNhMvA XIkjubOojFYQFx3+yzpqsUJ0X3PLETQK/VQt3M8dSHD7EoQwZ8sEizjazA3s4Hdg1k9f +ExzChRB2Xb60qIPw8jRXmzDt23Ut5ZWkLMVOL9KS3CyXxTa8ygrFsTosq/fiBMfxEdg cBXcR2ACjYSQESDLN1MQipwg1AFVQww2FKRZMtjU/iNRP9Rz7ymSBOhOz2zWhUeg5Kyy WnyfxJtJwgiSJsjrierzGpviLizQb5/lycAQbnikzn4tAXSIOJkFBJTkc1IvWBMW4Ag6 gANg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfh4XeGb6m4Ee23/FsxcpAzvyVb71rsh2LIhj46Few3xZ6vnFvZ iZqR5vcLFJ4cn2aNmH7JJqIm/BUpqkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqJgZPUKiM18SoEQwEEZtmfJrbehFYtz5teJ/kshBW5/Y6cI7r3JjP8MY1wFZeMch6HKprFBQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:b850:: with SMTP id u16-v6mr3133851wrf.64.1526541409727; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (vav06-1-78-207-202-134.fbx.proxad.net. [78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 141-v6sm6888888wmf.35.2018.05.17.00.16.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 May 2018 00:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 16 May 2018 23:03:29 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225361 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > No, it just depends in > scenarios > > How does that command cause some of the message to be sent somewhere? The attacker arranges things so that the requested URL actually contains the cleartext eg Robert