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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 31311@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#31311: 27.0; doc of `pcase'
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 10:22:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r2lxzew6.fsf@gnuvola.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33cb1c7a-38a2-4d74-a266-51be5b636552@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 26 May 2018 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT)")

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() Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
() Sat, 26 May 2018 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT)

   >    The manual should refer to `cl-case', not `case'.

   I disagree.  My (unsolicited) 2 cents:

   [why ‘case’ over ‘cl-case’]

I agree, in the long term.  However, for the scope of this bug,
it's not a crucial problem to resolve.  If the fundamental
change you seek is to transition ‘case’ into Emacs Lisp "core"
(not requiring loading cl.el etc), that's something that we can
discuss in -devel and when it occurs, the docs can be updated
accordingly.

   [We even had the extreme position a few years ago that an
   eager-beaver mmaintainer forced names like `cl-caddr' on
   Emacs.  Fortunately, that craziness was eventually rescinded.

   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-02/msg01394.html
   ]

Wow.

   On a related subject [naming of `pcase' et al].

This interesting topic is better discussed in -devel, i think.

   > In using ‘cl-case’ as one of the conceptual parents of
   > ‘pcase’,

   But it's not, really.  Maybe "parent" in the sense of design
   ancestor, but not "parent" in the sense of current derivation
   or resemblance.

Well, "design ancestor" is what i meant by "conceptual parent".
However, i did not dare use that because i myself did not design
‘pcase’.  I think "conceptual parent" accurately describes how
someone on the outside might look at things.  Pure projection on
the surface, yes, but a bit of empathy in the background, too.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who gave feedback.  With your help, i
think we are now at a good point to merge (and close the bug).

I have squashed the two following commits that pertained to
"Overhaul pcase documentation" into that one and left "Mention
pcase as a fifth conditional form" as the last one on branch
‘fix/bug-31311-pcase-doc-squash’.  I deleted and repushed that
branch; its HEAD commit is now 3a0c48aac9a.

I'd like to merge that branch into ‘emacs-26’ immediately.  Any
objections?

-- 
Thien-Thi Nguyen -----------------------------------------------
 (defun responsep (query)               ; (2018) Software Libero
   (pcase (context query)               ;       = Dissenso Etico
     (`(technical ,ml) (correctp ml))
     ...))                              748E A0E8 1CB8 A748 9BFA
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-27  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-29 16:03 bug#31311: 27.0; doc of `pcase' Drew Adams
2018-04-29 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-29 18:31   ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-04-29 18:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-29 20:05       ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-04-30  2:36         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-30 11:20           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-04-30 13:35             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-04-30 16:58               ` Drew Adams
2018-04-30 18:04               ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-05-01  9:41                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-04-30 19:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-12 11:18                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-12 13:54                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-05-15 14:24                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-15 15:16                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-05-16 10:43                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-16 15:18                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-05-20 18:59                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-23 13:55                               ` Drew Adams
2018-05-23 15:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-23 15:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-23 19:16                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-24 16:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-26  7:58                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-24 23:13                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-05-26  9:01                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-26 15:26                                       ` Drew Adams
2018-05-27  8:22                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2018-05-27  8:41                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-27 13:31                                           ` Drew Adams
2018-05-27 14:12                                           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-05-27 16:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-27 16:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-27 16:32                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-27 17:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-27 17:45                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-27 17:42                                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-28  7:25                                               ` Nicolas Petton
2018-05-28  7:33                                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2018-05-28  8:27                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-28  9:32                                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2018-05-12 13:56                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-05-15 14:37                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2019-08-25 12:56               ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-04-30 14:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-29 22:59 ` Drew Adams
2018-04-29 23:16   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-04-29 23:28     ` Drew Adams
2018-04-30  0:29 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-04-30  2:47   ` Drew Adams
2018-04-30  7:48     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-21 17:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2022-04-29 13:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 14:39   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<b5d5bbd5-f90c-4836-9307-7a74ad0b2320@default>
     [not found] ` <<83wowqrmp8.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-04-29 17:02   ` Drew Adams
2018-04-29 17:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-29 18:38     ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-04-29 19:43       ` Drew Adams
2018-04-29 20:00         ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found] <<<b5d5bbd5-f90c-4836-9307-7a74ad0b2320@default>
     [not found] ` <<<83wowqrmp8.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<9cd18e10-8f14-4a49-a3a4-ed9d50afe860@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83sh7erl01.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-04-29 17:26       ` Drew Adams

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