From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:06:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87r2liv85e.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528391283 30520 195.159.176.226 (7 Jun 2018 17:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: aminb@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 19:07:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyOE-0007qN-6Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:07:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyQL-0002ga-7K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59734) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyNi-0001SI-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyNh-0002cI-8G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:36519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyNc-0002YC-A5; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:20 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82C4E68A2; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:07:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6dR4TmJbV8Hm; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:07:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 214B6E688F; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:07:14 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226095 Archived-At: On 2018-06-05, at 01:29, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I thought that GNU projects are rather in the intersection of "free > > software" (in FSF sense) and open-source. That sentence confuses me. > > Every GNU package satisfies the practical criterion of open source. > However, "open source" also stands for ideas which disagree deeply > with the ideas of the free software movement. (That was no accident: > it was intended for that purpose.) > > Thus, simply describing a GNU package as "open source" is likely to > give people a very clear, but incorrect, idea of what we're trying to > do. Thanks, as I have written in another message a minute ago, I get it now. -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl