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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:48:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r2b578h4.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1552791707.5272.2@yandex.ru

Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru> writes:

> В Вс, мар 17, 2019 at 5:17 ДП (AM), Konstantin Kharlamov
> <hi-angel@yandex.ru> написал:
>> I want to start by answering first likely question: the Community
>> Edition of gitlab should be fine license-wise, quoting Richard
>> Stallman "We have a simple way of looking at these two versions. The
>> free version is free software, so it is ethical."¹
>>
>> Terms: "merge request" in gitlab means "patch series sent for review".
>>
>> ----
>>
>> It makes me sad, seeing Emacs addons popping up, for a functional
>> that better could've been implemented in core. It's a lot of
>> contributors out there; at the same time, I see very little patches
>> on emacs-devel list.
>>
>> A lot of open-source projects already migrated to gitlab: all
>> FreeDesktop projects, all Gnome projects; and KDE are likely to
>> migrate soon too². Gnome reports: "After switching to GitLab, I
>> noticed almost immediately an increase in contributions from people
>> I hadn’t met before. I think GitLab really lowered the threshold for
>> people getting started"³.
>>
>> So, at the very least, migrating to gitlab should make contributions
>> easier for bigger part of the open-source world, peoples who used to
>> github and gitlab. (btw, here's a rarely mentioned point, why in
>> particular mailing-list workflow is hard for newcomers: almost every
>> mail client out there breaks formatting by default; and configuring
>> that out isn't always easy).
>>
>> Other points include:
>> 	1. I know some people like to operate with mails rather than
>> web-interface (which is what usual gitlab workflow based on). For
>> them gitlab can be configured to be managed with mails. I don't know
>> how far it stretches, but at the very least creating/replying to
>> issues/merge requests can be enabled.⁴
>> 	2. Gitlab makes addressing review comments easier. With
>> mailing lists workflow you either need to α) send a v2 of the patch;
>> which is a little frustrating: you need to find message-id to feed
>> it to git-send-email, and then you need to make sure its title lines
>> up with the rest of the series. Or β) resend whole patch-series;
>> which can be just redundant when all you did was a one-line change,
>> and clutters the mailing list. Also, upon sending v3, v4, etc. you
>> need to save somewhere changes since v1. You can put it in actual
>> commits, but for git-history this information is unnecessary. With
>> gitlab workflow, on the other hand, you just force-push changes to
>> the branch that has merge-request opened. A single command, that it.
>> 	3. CI. I've recently seen someone on emacs-devel⁵ asking a
>> contributor to run their syntax-checking script on a regular basis.
>> That's becase you can't run any check on a code hanging out there on
>> a mailing list in pure air. Gitlab supports CI, i.e. one can set it
>> up to run unit-tests for every merge-request created, so these
>> errors get caught before getting to the tree; and possibly even
>> before getting to eyes of reveiwers.
>> 	4. Impossible to lose "merge request". I've seen in Emacs docs
>> an advice to send patch series to a bugtracker, because on
>> emacs-devel they can easily be forgotten. That can't happen so
>> easily with gitlab, where you have a tab with open merge requests.
>> 	5. Discussion on patch series is easier to read. On mailing
>> lists can quickly appear a dozen of no longer relevant review mails,
>> that refer to something that was addressed. In Gitlab the addressed
>> comments can be marked as such, and get collapsed.
>> 	6. More tightly integrated bugtracker. When a commit refers to
>> an issue, it can be seen from inside the issue. This is useful e.g.
>> when someone fixed a problem, but for some reason couldn't address
>> review comments, leaving the code behind. Then later peoples who
>> stumble upon the same issue can just improve the code instead of
>> doing research and writing it on their own.
>> 	7. Unclear how to download a patch-series from mailing list.
>> Usually mailing-list driven projects add some system that tracks
>> patches, and allows to download series. E.g. that's how Mesa worked.
>> But Emacs don't seem to have one. With gitlab though you can simply
>> fetch someone's branch.
>>
>> 1:
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2015-03/msg00095.html
>> 2:
>> http://kde.6490.n7.nabble.com/Gitlab-Evaluation-amp-Migration-td1708416.html
>> 3: https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/05/gnome-moves-to-gitlab-2/
>> 4: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/incoming_email.html
>> 5: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-03/msg00131.html
>
> Btw, one more point I just got: no more discrepancy between what
> mailing list subscribers see, and what web-interface renders. E.g. the
> nicely formatted list of points above from the outside worls looks
> like a large single line:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-03/msg00531.html

Not to muddy the waters further, but Source Hut (or Sir Hat) is a newish
"forge" that seems very much in line with Emacs' aesthetic, and provides
extensive integration with mailing lists. Might be a nice middle ground.

https://man.sr.ht/




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-17 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 287+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-17  2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:34   ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  8:20     ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  0:52           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-19  1:43             ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19  1:50               ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20  2:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19  7:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  7:27             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19  8:47               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46                   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03               ` Ergus
2019-03-19  7:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <message from DmitryGutovon Tue>
2019-03-19 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  6:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20  6:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21  8:28                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:02                             ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21  9:48                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:59                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  7:52                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23  0:37                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20                                           ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23  2:33                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:18                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  6:29                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  1:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46                                   ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52                                       ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50                                           ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-21  5:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21  7:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:17                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:06                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  9:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26  7:52                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26  8:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  1:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27  9:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15  2:04                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15  2:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15  5:42                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  3:57                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34                                                               ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40                                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17  7:30                                                                   ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17  8:40                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 10:45                                                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-15 13:37                                                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-16  3:54                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-04-26  8:42                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-04-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  1:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-18  1:48         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18  2:41           ` Tim Cross
2019-03-18 13:19             ` Van L
2019-03-19  2:15             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 14:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14           ` Karl Fogel
2019-03-17 16:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2019-03-17 18:05     ` Amin Bandali
2019-03-17  3:39 ` bug#34889: " Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  4:04   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 15:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-17 13:14   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 14:26           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 16:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:29     ` Alex
2019-04-18  8:27       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-20 21:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-23 21:08           ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 15:26             ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  8:24               ` Toon Claes
2019-04-25 13:45                 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  0:42             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10  9:16               ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10  9:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:37                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 12:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:09                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 22:23                       ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  2:12                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-11  3:47                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  7:38                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 10:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 13:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:25                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:24                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:22                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12 15:50                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-18 15:36                                 ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-25 22:38                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-26 18:01                                     ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-26 18:21                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12  0:58                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  0:23                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-12  5:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  7:04                               ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  4:32                                 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:24                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 16:41                                   ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 17:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:55                                       ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 19:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:02                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:11                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:56                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14  8:43                                         ` Toon Claes
2019-05-14 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15  7:45                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-05-15 14:04                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54                                     ` Clemens Radermacher
2019-05-16 19:58                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-16 23:19                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32                           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:16                               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 15:00                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 15:26                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:37                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 15:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13  8:47                                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  6:16                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29                                           ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42                                                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09                                                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11                                               ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-13  9:23                                     ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56                               ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13  1:43                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  1:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  9:03                             ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23                                 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02                       ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02                   ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24                     ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41                 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 15:23                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 13:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii

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