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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 37321@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#37321: 27.0.50; Excessive gc in a use case (el-search)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:53:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r24flrwp.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <733d0142-51ee-55df-de0c-cca7c989b370@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:04:07 -0700")

Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> writes:

> > my Emacs seems to have become slower independently from gc.  There
> > is still a slow down of searching by a factor of at least 3 or so
> > that doesn't seem to be related to gc.
>
> Have you tried turning on profiling to see what the problem might be?

For el-searches, yes, I did.  But the amounts of time spent were
distributed quite evenly between different things, I could not identify
a culprit.  It looked more like everything got proportionally slower.

> I looked into it a bit, and I think the problem is related to this
> line in el-search--flatten-tree:
>
>         (gc-cons-percentage 0.8)) ;Why is binding it here more
>         effective than binding it more top-level?
>
> That binding is not effective in general, because it causes Emacs to
> do most of its computation with gc-cons-percentage equal to 0.8, but a
> small amount of it with gc-cons-percentage equal to 0.1 (the default
> value).

Yeah.  Funnily enough I had experimented a lot with where to put this
binding.  I also had tried what you suggest in your patch.  What I
currently use looks weird and I don't understand why but in the past it
produced the most efficient result - even more efficient than with a
more durable binding.  Seems this is not true any more.

> This is in an attempt to disable most GC. However, the attempt
> fails in master because when gc-cons-percentage drops to 0.1 Emacs
> does a garbage collection pretty much right away. (In Emacs 26, the
> code lucks out because Emacs happens to not look at gc-cons-percentage
> during the brief time that it is 0.1, so it doesn't GC.)

Ah, ok.

> There may be other places in el-search that would benefit from a
> change similar to the attached patch, but I didn't investigate this.

Yes, I think so.

Question: why didn't it help to switch to hash tables?  My use case is
like this: very frequently I need to collect N (N is variable with an
order of magnitude of roughly 0 < N < 100.000 or so) objects in a
structure and later perform member tests whether a given element is
equal to one of the N.  I used to use a list and `member' to implement
this.  When I use a hash-table that associates the N elements with t
instead, and use gethash as member test, do I produce less garbage?
That would be good but when using this it didn't lower the amount of
time spent in gc.

Thanks,

Michael.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-16 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-06 13:52 bug#37321: 27.0.50; Excessive gc in a use case (el-search) Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-07 14:23 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-07 15:30   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-08  1:11 ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-08 14:52   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-08 15:25     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-14  8:04       ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-14  8:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-14  8:52           ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-14  9:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-14 17:57               ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-14 18:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-15  4:33             ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-16 23:53         ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2019-09-17  0:55           ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-21  0:41             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-21  0:46               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-21  6:19                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-17 12:47           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-09-21  0:44             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-25  9:42         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-25 20:37           ` Paul Eggert
2019-09-26 11:42             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-09-26 12:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-26 13:03                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08  8:43                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08  9:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-08  9:11                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08  9:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-08 11:12                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08 12:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-08 12:38                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08 13:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 14:47                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-09 15:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 20:53                                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-10-10 10:58                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-08  9:22                       ` Michael Heerdegen

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