From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38601: describe-mode never says the most important thing Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:28:39 +0800 Message-ID: <87r215xrig.5.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87d0crpzxg.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <23f279f3-f2a6-6327-b1eb-0d167cdfad22@orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="81422"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 38601@debbugs.gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 21:30:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWq-000KyI-LN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 21:30:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWp-0001kr-Ck for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWi-0001kj-Om for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWh-0004zH-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:30:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWh-0004yq-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:30:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWh-00043s-A6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:30:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87d0crpzxg.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38601 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38601-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38601.157644178415570 (code B ref 38601); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38601) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2019 20:29:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWO-000433-LA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:29:44 -0500 Original-Received: from blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.20]:4956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1igaWM-00042t-1s for 38601@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:29:43 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5252580B27; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-89-10.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.89.10]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2A275580928; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:29:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:29:40 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Minister-Tasty: 6f3446b334eb2623_1576441780564_2744828691 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1576441780564:600279303 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1576441780564 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDA9802C7; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:29:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=og6gHa9ftly91rlNPjW8KII/Fks=; b=cRAwxyW7gdQ6p 9fU94kFnJbsqsUpJA7Gtfxg9E8HnPWFBk5CYPzV6/2LT+0spI+mYxvjXpCf5Z2xL 0h+7Qht1L7ckvOZQ6ARz8VEdak8HoiccGwu2eyVJ0v8cDTs+xq9EhaaUanvp+Wok IlIdGadm9s3OEtaCPO9aOl20fTZ9nw= Original-Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-32-45.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.32.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AC008020F; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a39 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvddtfedgudegtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrfedvrdegheenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddrfedvrdeghedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefkeeitdduseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173392 Archived-At: >>>>> "PS" == Phil Sainty writes: PS> Knowing how to turn them off is important, but once you know how to PS> turn one minor mode on or off, then you know how to turn *any* minor PS> mode on or off -- it's the same in all cases. Well OK but the cautious user knows to first check the docs before executing things. (E.g., Unix sort vs. uniq arguments.)