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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252725 gmane.comp.statistics.pspp.devel:7586 Archived-At: Hello Dmitry, On Mon 06 Jul 2020 at 08:53AM +03, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Sean Whitton wrote: >> On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 08:35PM +02, John Darrington wrote: >>> Sure. But from a user's perspective I don't see the advantage in that. I mean what is the difference between typing "apt-get install pspp-mode" and "M-x package-install 'pspp-mode" ? >> >> From the perspective of those of us working on packaging Emacs addons in Debian, significant advantages are >> >> 1) the way addons work doesn't change within a Debian stable release, >> just like Emacs itself doesn't change within a Debian stable release >> >> 2) addons get installed using Debian's mechanisms for a secure software >> supply chain, rather than relying on https alone. > > 3) they are automatically available to #!/usr/bin/emacs --script scripts; and pollute stderr at every run: > > $ ./hello.el > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50autoconf.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50cmake-data.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictem.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)... > Loading debian-ispell... > Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)... > Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50global.el (source)... > Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50mu4e.el (source)... > Hello, Debian! This only happens with old style addons. Once we have finished migrating all addons in the archive to our newer tooling you won't see this. -- Sean Whitton