From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#47878: Mark outline commands as repeatable Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:20:27 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87r1j3h37d.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87blabpge6.fsf@posteo.net> <87y2dej95u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2dbagmf.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11797"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 47878@debbugs.gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 21:29:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIXA-0002xp-PG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:29:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34074 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIX9-0002iG-O0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIX0-0002dp-3Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIWz-0000oL-Q4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIWz-0006U4-JC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:29:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 47878 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 47878-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B47878.161903332324886 (code B ref 47878); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 47878) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 19:28:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59830 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIWh-0006TH-DH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:59845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZIWd-0006St-CY for 47878@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:28:42 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.166 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-166.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.166]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D8631C0005; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87y2dbagmf.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:53:28 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204653 Archived-At: >> 1. navigation keymap: >> >> C-c @ C-b outline-backward-same-level >> C-c @ C-f outline-forward-same-level >> C-c @ C-n outline-next-visible-heading >> C-c @ C-p outline-previous-visible-heading >> C-c @ C-u outline-up-heading Maybe also it would make sense to add single key equivalents, so e.g. next visible headings could be visited with C-c @ n n n n … >> This would be the most useful keymap to make navigation keys repeatable. >> >> 2. editing keymap: >> >> C-c @ RET outline-insert-heading >> C-c @ C-v outline-move-subtree-down >> C-c @ C-^ outline-move-subtree-up >> C-c @ @ outline-mark-subtree >> C-c @ C-< outline-promote >> C-c @ C-> outline-demote >> >> Only outline-promote/outline-demote and >> outline-move-subtree-down/outline-move-subtree-up >> could be repeatable. > > I am not sure if these two maps are necessarily detached. When I want to > move a few subtrees, it might be natural for me to assume that I can > also move between them without having to invoke C-x @ ... again. Ok, let's put navigation and editing keys into one repeatable keymap (maybe without outline-insert-heading and outline-mark-subtree). >> 3. visibility keymap: >> >> C-c @ C-a outline-show-all >> C-c @ C-e outline-show-entry >> C-c @ TAB outline-show-children >> C-c @ C-k outline-show-branches >> C-c @ C-s outline-show-subtree >> C-c @ C-c outline-hide-entry >> C-c @ C-d outline-hide-subtree >> C-c @ C-l outline-hide-leaves >> C-c @ C-o outline-hide-other >> C-c @ C-q outline-hide-sublevels >> C-c @ C-t outline-hide-body >> >> I doubt if these keys need to be repeatable. >> We have new Org-like short keys TAB and S-TAB >> that are more convenient to use in outline-mode >> and in outline-minor-mode. > > That makes sense, I just found out about outline-minor-mode-cycle and it > probably does make these keys superfluous for most uses. Removing these > keys seems to also open up a lot of key bindings that would otherwise > maybe annoy users if they are bound in transient maps (especially C-a, > C-e, C-k, C-s, C-c). Indeed, these are among the most frequently used keys.