From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add hints to documentation of car and cdr for (e)lisp newcomers - take 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87r1fzh5or.fsf@gnus.org> References: <8735shrl57.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <83v95c7v3v.fsf@gnu.org> <87bl74evd7.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl74ry2z.fsf@gnus.org> <831r7z7jgl.fsf@gnu.org> <83tukv60a2.fsf@gnu.org> <30917EA3-D0B2-40E0-AE09-0825ADB95591@traduction-libre.org> <871r7zilp0.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8b35xbe.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15172"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: lists@traduction-libre.org, asjo@koldfront.dk, stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 19:03:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m44lb-0003gw-Td for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:03:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57454 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m44lZ-0004MH-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58628) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m44kB-0001xg-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:01:51 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:48776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m44kA-0008TE-6G; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:01:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=y0xcH5WCeA8P8zoIxHCO9Ku1wkmBLEm43UaSXb6iwiY=; b=IEulhAdaEvTiSs1zGhyiCTYgXB 78vmP/a3wOQGtf5DlBrYeMAbn68srkZJkBMbcP6+9Ox+OBhrNmigJoCbdC3xj+nsGHfAVDj7z+mvV IZUqPm15EC0/VyoZ2Qzc0lO9aKmgXNlCCvozsD0nOzCiHzPqphh+Y7k538wldBafOk9g=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m44k1-0002m8-1K; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:01:43 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEWDgntMS0fNzMH/ //+BtbopAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UHDxA7JHyJRE4AAAG5SURBVCjPJZHBatxADIbl sgObnuxi99wGAlk/xXhZhzCnsdE/tD71kIR2nmI3rC89lRJD6G0LBltPGdmZwwwf0ki/flERRc9Y 2wwglCvAGltQ8ZJnQYYNjFdwIhR634ALSnz5+8Tm+68FUFcMbrCrWQsczM21+bq97ZkJd4/m3+46 2ffeU2gf7tzrNulMfk/dn+1T3CW24/6e4vD6UOPKOn8CyXB1c4q39uk4eoXHUcqytTI6hZ+jm2LI j6YjKdKMk/pgAIUMDdoJaCpNSxtPufT1DxOpfIEn42TyRij2iU8JIvlGyF1UE5kofRDqhD2lVZTp 4wKD99/ILU7oPeaVT1aPKMoMS++GkcjMAMv0YQUB1LwBnYJxlyWnsFpaEJb02W9yoRlYApcDhRWW HmNarcDdzHLxpl0j3QWlDqTVJo0cicqjbkDHhuuBVqZSYYQ7f3n++y5nrmIP/S2mJZlQnmnzSd9A e3mWs2dVeuB1weegMuZKwcn//rD3XFSBECZUgC2QfCYMaFrDxm7SQCyw3aVh4qxT4SfbqZ/ERVQw atfsTc1CXGIBoI5C6kam0HAhKzStzLZOWnkDDyHXI0JHBcsAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIw MjEtMDctMTVUMTY6NTk6MzUrMDA6MDDAag5LAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA3LTE1 VDE2OjU5OjM1KzAwOjAwsTe29wAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Vert's _Broken Breakbeat Bebop_: "Cherry Phosphate" In-Reply-To: <83o8b35xbe.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271269 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The new sentence interrupts the continuity, and now "Probably > introduced at ..." is missing the context and sounds like bad English. > > I think it would be better to move the reference to other functions to > the end of the *Help* buffer text. After all, it's a kind-of "See > also", which is normally found at the end. That's true, but the "probably introduced" bit is the least important thing in the *Help* buffer, so emphasising it in the current way is unfortunate. I think we should move it to the end of the buffer, or hide it by default (with some button to reveal this and other less-than-vital stuff). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no