From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs development... Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 09:04:13 -0700 Message-ID: <87r1ellb42.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <56B1C272-CB13-4793-930C-9F6B96F9856B@traduction-libre.org> <83r1enz453.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7fjuuva.fsf@gnu.org> <351DF59E-BFE0-4CC2-8A40-B4E7CB73D81E@traduction-libre.org> <2281ccca2d439b935535197d931c1ccf41b0f86f.camel@yandex.ru> <3AA2DD3C-EDEC-4180-9180-AE84D6705BE8@traduction-libre.org> <87fsv26eu1.fsf@gmail.com> <5587433C-396F-4230-A81D-21CC33FAF901@traduction-libre.org> <87bl5q5n8b.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuji41l5.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmu550cv.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Tim Cross , Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 22 18:05:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mHpyA-0009w6-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 18:05:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33104 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHpy9-0001cD-KS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHpxW-0000fp-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:43456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHpxP-0004M3-Tu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:04:25 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (c-73-109-4-106.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.109.4.106]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D078FA827; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:04:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1629648255; bh=KtECShp5L4trijZ7Msr7bwU9oeRHBSEgFqF0a7AO7co=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ekxmWZ+jSb3ykBMMZfOfhL7HQZbP5vPHIhWT5721CbyEFh4XE0y9k0cuAF/Qy9Slq 2wLNPmf9sCoQrlmIIc39Z/sy0413ei0QaUsG/RAbEk7p/2/ylPNZOy9PcIJa8vfWVp WGmVAfMb9Eb54HOzs9JF3XK4qleX61VA1PUX0QPc= In-Reply-To: (T. V. Raman's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 2021 06:54:36 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272840 Archived-At: "T.V Raman" writes: > Tim Cross writes: > > > In addition to all you say below re IELM, the nugget of gold that makes > it invaluable is its ability to set the eval context buffer while > remaining in the ielm buffer, see command bound to C-c b. Hey, that's great! I'd also been on the fence about the value of IELM over the plain old *scratch* buffer, and that's a real advantage. To muddy the waters further, there's also the "emacs inspector"[1] which provides another way of looking at objects and symbols. It doesn't help with the original query about watching values change during execution, though. [1]: https://github.com/mmontone/emacs-inspector