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Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:18:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83fsqqctxd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:23:58 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:222604 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> (Also FWIW, I'm not surprised such radical-sounding changes are >> surfacing today; given how often outline-mode has made the headlines >> (heh) in NEWS, my impression is that there's been a recent renewal of >> interest in this mode which had not seen much love for the past=E2=80=A6= however >> long it's been since it has been introduced[1]. > > From my POV, there's too much of a tendency to convert Outline to be > Org, and that I cannot support. People who want to use Org should > just use it; there's no reason to make Outline do the same. "Org" is a lot of different things, most of them thoroughly unrelated to outlining that have no business being integrated into outline-mode, so thanks for keeping an eye on that tendency. Personally, as an outline(-minor)-mode user, I'm still very happy that core Emacs developers are attempting to "sideport" the small set of Org features that pertains to outlining, e.g. TAB-cycling. That instantly enhances all major modes with support for outline-minor-mode, so these are powerful quality-of-life improvements as far as I am concerned. Whether these features should be enabled by default is a judgment call, of course. As a user, I still consider that Emacs tripping over form feeds when I ask it to go to the next heading is a plain bug, but I acknowledge that YMMV =F0=9F=99=83