From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master f0ff20be51: * src/emacs.c (main): Improve accuracy of daemon warning message on PGTK. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287873 Archived-At: Hello, On Wed 06 Apr 2022 at 11:16pm -04, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> FWIW, I think "fundamental" is a bit strong here. I don't see any >>> evidence that the design of the API makes it impossible. It seems more >>> like a problem with the current implementation >> I think the problem is quite fundamental to the current implementation >> of GDK: > > Fundamental to the implementation means that it can be fixed without > changing the design of the API ;-) I do see what you mean -- and please do suggest another word if you have one in mind -- but in this case I am not sure the distinction between fundamental-to-the-API and fundamental-to-the-implementation matters. The problem is in a different class to just a bug that upstream doesn't seem very motivated to fix, and that matters from a user's point of view. -- Sean Whitton