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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293741 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:39:34 +0800, Po Lu said: Po Lu> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Why not Lucid? Po Lu> I forgot to include that, sorry. I meant it along with the Moti= f build, Po Lu> since both work equally well. Several months ago only the Motif= build Po Lu> was usable under XInput 2, but all of those bugs were eliminated= between Po Lu> then and now. There was a time when I was young and na=C3=AFve, and thought that GTK was going to be the answer to Emacs=CA=BC toolkit issues. That has turned out to be somewhat untrue [1], so perhaps we should default to Lucid (it=CA=BCs still pretty ugly, but I don=CA=BCt use menus or scrollbars so that doesn= =CA=BCt affect me personally). If Someone=E2=84=A2 contributes a Qt port, that might do as well (there was a port of XEmacs to Qt several decades ago, so it definitely feasible). Robert Footnotes: [1] That=CA=BCs an understatement. GTK has turned into a total clusterfuck. --=20