From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:25:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87r116h7a9.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <8735dn30if.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmgr8m3t.fsf@yahoo.com> <83pmgr88sk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfln6t3p.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ilmj873l.fsf@gnu.org> <8735dn6rp7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87edx7hu15.fsf@telefonica.net> <83y1vf6ixp.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgfuhpz8.fsf@telefonica.net> <83o7wa7v6g.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22481"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:w4tdSz/Fd/gdQZPP+Yf6gJtIDzo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 24 01:26:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQdHz-0005kx-30 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:26:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53868 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQdHx-0001Lp-0Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQdH5-0000cV-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:25:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:51792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQdGz-000404-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:25:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQdGy-0004Rf-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:25:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293920 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> Finally, it seems to me that your experience with some GTK >> >> developers is influencing your technical discussion on this >> >> thread. >> > >> > Why shouldn't it? The attitude of the GTK developers is certainly >> > relevant for our decisions related to GTK issues. >> >> ... suppossing that the depiction of those developers is accurate, fair >> and representative of the community, not picking one or two individuals >> interacting with one other individual at certain time. > > They were actually quoted here on several occasions. Make your own > conclusions from what they say; I did. What I see on that Merge Request is an occasional contributor adding code related to an internal, debug-related environment variable to avoid its abuse and then making an insulting reference to the people who are advicing others to incur on said abuse. Then another occasional contributor comes to close the comments (good) with a blunt phrase (bad). Implying that that episode illustrates the general attitude of that community and that it is relevant to how Emacs should decide its relation to the products of such community is... unfair, to say it politelly.