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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: org-assert-version considered harmful
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:46:24 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r10ey8ov.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvk06745vr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> Yup.  But there's no option to automatically find those dependencies in
>>> ELisp, and (IIRC from last time I looked at it, in many packages obeying
>>> such dependencies would end up introducing circular dependencies in
>>> the Makefile), so we'd have to depend on the package's author to provide
>>> a working set of file dependencies.
>>
>> It would be nice to have such an option.
>
> Agreed.  The "last time" mentioned above, I looked at changing the
> byte-compiler to keep track of the macros that were expanded so we can
> auto-generate the dependencies.

Then, I am inclined towards easing the version check to (org-version)
instead of (org-git-version). It will be no worse than the existing
situation with re-compiling updated .el files.

>> For reference, one simple way to trigger "mixed" state of Org is doing
>> something like:
>>
>> 1. emacs -Q
>> 2. (require 'org)
>> 3. Add the newer Org version to load-path
>> 4. (require 'ob-python)
>>
>> When and which version of org-autoloads.el will be loaded in
>> such scenario?
>
> None :-(
>
> In my book step 3 above is a mistake (even if moved to step 2).

I am confused.
AFAIK, changing the load-path is a common way for users to install
packages manually.

We do recommend setting the load-path in
https://orgmode.org/org.html#Installation and
https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html

Moreover, it is also the recommendation from Emacs manual section
"28.8 Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs":

>>>    The default value of ‘load-path’ is a list of directories where the
>>> Lisp code for Emacs itself is stored.  If you have libraries of your own
>>> in another directory, you can add that directory to the load path.
>>> Unlike most other variables described in this manual, ‘load-path’ cannot
>>> be changed via the Customize interface (*note Easy Customization::), but
>>> you can add a directory to it by putting a line like this in your init
>>> file (*note Init File::):
>>> 
>>>      (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/my/lisp/library")

-- 
Ihor Radchenko,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/.
Support Org development at https://liberapay.com/org-mode,
or support my work at https://liberapay.com/yantar92


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-14  2:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-12 18:27 org-assert-version considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  1:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13  2:16   ` Timothy
2022-09-13  2:53   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  3:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 13:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13 14:42         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 16:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14  2:46             ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-09-14 14:08               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14 19:13                 ` Tim Cross
2022-09-25  2:39               ` Bastien
2022-09-25  3:15                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25  4:27                   ` Timothy
2022-09-25  9:37                   ` Bastien
2022-09-25  9:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 10:24                       ` Bastien
2022-09-25 11:10                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 11:26                           ` Bastien
2022-09-25 12:16                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:18                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:15                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 12:20                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:16                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27 21:35                   ` Bastien
2022-10-31 14:11                     ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 20:16                       ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2022-10-31 20:40                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 23:16                       ` Tim Cross
2022-11-01  6:09                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-02 20:42                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-11-03  7:51                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-03 17:30                             ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-02  8:16                               ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-02  6:45                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-04  4:22                                   ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-04  4:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-04 11:12                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 11:08                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 12:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-16 12:41                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 13:41                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18  9:37                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 13:33                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 14:26                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 14:29                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 16:43                                           ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-17 16:59                                             ` Ihor Radchenko

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