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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296199 Archived-At: Bastien writes: >> While you're best to judge the number of contributions, #1 and #2, or >> the dogfooding opportunities provided by the switch are immense. >> >> One doesn't occasionally run into org documents the size of org.org. It >> has already resulted in gc enhancements as it was slowing down Emacs >> build and was optimized. I'll say that alone is a benefit worth keeping. > > I'm not convinced: slowing down Emacs build to create opportunities > for enhancing the Org parser and exporter does not strike me as a good > reason. As the outcome of that thread, I managed to reduce org->texinfo conversion down to 4sec. https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/87czf9np98.fsf@localhost I do not think that the overall impact on the build process is something we need to worry about in this context. > Respecting the GNU standards about manuals ("The preferred document > format for the GNU system is the Texinfo formatting language.") and > the recent discussions provide good reasons for switching back to > .texi, if all maintainers agree. Do note that RMS expressed interest in changing this standard to Org, given that Org provides all the necessary tooling to produce high-quality manual. https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/E1nzQh5-0001OB-22@fencepost.gnu.org I also spawned a thread about this in Org ML. https://list.orgmode.org/87k09frdsv.fsf@localhost/ -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/. 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