From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Browning Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: <87r0zqknrx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83edvqafr7.fsf@gnu.org> <83h70m19yv.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4mm7kt.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87pmfa9k30.fsf@gnus.org> <83r0zqysyu.fsf@gnu.org> <877d1im5k3.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83h70myrrp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, yandros@gmail.com, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 21:52:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of518-0004LC-Sh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:52:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55524 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of517-0002B3-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:52:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of4zs-0000B6-4K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:51:32 -0400 Original-Received: from defaultvalue.org ([45.33.119.55]:37476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of4zq-0000rk-GH; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:51:31 -0400 Original-Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4838D2071C; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 14:50:59 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA1A014E081; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 14:50:58 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <83h70myrrp.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.33.119.55; envelope-from=rlb@defaultvalue.org; helo=defaultvalue.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296698 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Even if we are talking about two different users on the same system? > IOW, this is a system-wide restriction? Isn't that too harsh? The available Debian packages are a balance, intended to cover a broad set of common cases, i.e. Emacs without X, Emacs with the Lucid toolkit (because of, if nothing else, gtk issues), and Emacs with the GTK toolkit. You can only have one of them installed at a time, and you can (currently) only have one major version installed at a time. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=emacs We could of course try to accommodate multiple major versions (we did for a good while), and/or multiple simultaneous variants (nox, lucid, gtk), but we'd need to feel like the additional complexity and archive space (multiplied across the architecture-dependent packages (emacs-bin-common, etc.)[1]) was worth it for a large enough audience. [1] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=emacs > And what about users who make changes to Emacs -- is that a legitimate > use case supported by Debian installations? I'd say that up to a point you can, and I have symlinked the relevant .el files into a ~/ directory, made sure that it's in my load-path, and then made adjustments, but past a certain point, I'd say that you'd want to switch to building Emacs yourself. Because at that point, you're perhaps no longer in the target audience for the Debian packages, or at least non on that particular machine (i.e. you might be fine with the Debian packages on most of your machines, servers, etc. but want to make much more extensive changes to Emacs on some others). -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2011-07-10 E6A9 DA3C C9FD 1FF8 C676 D2C4 C0F0 39E9 ED1B 597A GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4