From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Running emacs without any customisation Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 01:40:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87r0zfz1rd.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18899"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:9K9HVxzxeFvShIByCjEx8BN6UvE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 09:26:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oi9fG-0004jj-Bu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:26:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi9fB-00060k-6a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39496) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi2Ni-0003zF-0t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:32784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi2Nd-0007vr-85 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oi2NZ-0004g2-Eo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 01:40:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:18:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139807 Archived-At: Thibaut Verron wrote: > Regardless, the site lisp should not cause emacs to fail to > start or start with a black screen. To test it, you can run > emacs without your config but with most site-lisp with emacs > -q. Yes, -Q is '-q --no-site-file --no-splash', see emacs(1). But debugging init files without _any_ configuration or basic packages loaded is often painful, both when you know what you look for and when you don't, so it is better to retain some control of your .emacs and disable it little by little in a hopefully intelligent way rather than just use -q or -Q. Or you can use -Q first, "okay, it's not you, it's me", and then use more granular methods ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal