From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:34:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87r0qbgxov.fsf@web.de> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31409"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.10.2; emacs 29.0.90 Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 16 18:49:49 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qACdx-0007vd-69 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:49:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qACd7-0003AU-QO; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qACd6-0003A3-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qACd4-00051c-HM; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:48:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1686934129; x=1687538929; i=arne_bab@web.de; bh=9bV86mB9/ftUywpcXNmvhEEbeb+4d9iXoPECfjiBzVk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to; b=cTnTSSr7bBefIYKct6gx5/Qh3g4HB8jlhlH+VHWKUSagW9z25Pvy04xzeZeA5RfoyntlkPD aWv+Ub6tdExtggCwk/mo712jWKbILscWuXpsejIPXQr3INARwlXlV16xMeX9jjf6fFjKsMJJi yW12fQCyqoRHkDF8wKnaK1nUxaW4HRRXJGo6jbESp8EdjNNPoRNw+nMQ5JrBmMpHV2uEvBv1M jO/NBWc0dimTAYwvaQxRMAB0i0H2UAYCBVRjbcGh1dl2DZ907esRq1n2mBo0ruVH6Z0OaBft9 0HtbhEUf2ZLdfzazqT5GYVKAyoukYxB7Q/2Q1LbEA/dT38H7rKog== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from fluss ([84.165.25.222]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MhWkj-1pg4fa2wVv-00eafW; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:48:49 +0200 In-reply-to: <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qXk7vlmQeAF5ixpSmBDOoaW3haa4Z3quODqJRNAEAtKvQmguuAs fz9u/l+VyZtaNzdd+vRmwP4TH6QxprpgjM0/G/4w955bLG1+UeLOAEEqNhOjAgSNDRe1fUs 1OBIWGK0H4FJfh2rok10cR+Ws+4K8hey8qcve86ZOV/6KQ7dh4A1BhrIRY+bHUf+N6dazID u4J4fol8E/O60UtCn2o1Q== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Y2BQ4u0r4NQ=;uxjYLQjdaOWNL5cWNIRAaCAKp7f cAoA6XPSCo/Mb4801G3ZfB7j6wy5x79Rg3HG74qqP9aQxhGXQLJznxoOBlP6E/qC+GcYSpw+a Q75yu0tCDVUn+Zy3Bi1QbbB7qllU2K5b+OKoGqUjHiVQbKU4EBraS3zn01AE3/Gq9fww4K43j AvkE0YjdVPPvAObYVFK0U8mpQlFR1DznxObI8ckzKEXYCLYeDjcpnMX6hSO6eapDx6Ln9PrHV 4ee0V8Em8pP5BsV7oFuNVWxtAiTpcwQxUbf58SmTH+c+zTNjCQRKggYIEOAsnz5c90cAairwL iSwtR2N5RZWipPV27qcdP2tV6Sjcdd8T6y5pfwujbYwpeukPaMojiywS2sfZ0QdjRnQIOe211 sIwcjy/qr0NaEL68PDh0vmi8ZGWYp8H90ZCo5gXdgy0bc6lsAKV2y5KyoB3DcQIiCjCiuPTNe fJN9duMqXtzeJpohwF1CbczADu5DLpt9ITXkDw5+RQrL4stZJbljh+Lsg0SnpSi9q1QOr9yAB 0ephasi2XFIne6CRDhTjyl6dz+Lj79Nk7tM587X7lPhJrUxGjClYVmciEsbxmAaSiSejNPGDH D6JTQm7YJYJ/uiPMqj1yB2hvuJ+i+5WSaPc2NhzWNv1rNfbps4wwW+GGOAvtPoFKFScJVr0CM SrvuYMzi3qgcBzaFdNBkkx/N9nM/Odt6TzrFaNVZeox6G9OdBv+zNyUDlG5FVZKXev5M1WScy AlOtmTxShIxe8DYwMICrLWeRVC2jiJBxdk0KYjPEUb6fZlo2VTT7V3pCQeVmN0Bh7zhiLWDw Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.12; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306838 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Closing thought: one of the largest advantages of learning to use Emacs >> instead of any other tool is that Emacs can follow you wherever you go. >> Whatever the platform you may (be forced to?) use in the future, Emacs >> will be there and your skills will be an advantage. The android port >> closes a significant gap for this. I=E2=80=99ve seen several people move= their >> workflows to proprietary web applications because =E2=80=9Cthen I can us= e it on >> the tablet=E2=80=9D. Emacs on Android can provide a viable alternative t= o that. > > Thanks, but what you say gives the POV of an Android user, not the POV > of the Emacs maintenance. I have no doubt whatsoever that having > Emacs on Android will benefit Android users; my doubts are whether we > as the project should and can take upon ourselves this additional > maintenance burden, and promise the Android users that we will > maintain, let alone develop, this port for the years to come. That=E2=80=99s not the view of an Android user (I do not currently use Andr= oid, except as an offline two-factor device), but the view of a long term Emacs user: It is a big advantage for me that Emacs will be wherever my future life with computers takes me. Having Emacs everywhere also allows me to avoid lock-in by whatever platform I use. I may not always have the choice of the platform (depending on what I do for a living), but by using Emacs I will be able to preserve my choice to jump back to a libre platform without losing my skills. I do not see this as promising that the port will be developed in the future =E2=80=94 that always depends on a developer being interested in doi= ng that work =E2=80=94 but from what Po Lu wrote it does not seem like a large burden. And from my experience with Java (10 years for volunteer projects and 5 years professional) 6000 lines of Java are not much. It=E2= =80=99s a pretty verbose language. The main risk I see is in the toolchain. @Po Lu: How hard is it to set up a development environment that can create an apk from the Emacs sources =E2=80=94 assuming no prior android development experience? If it does take a while: are there ways to reduce that? 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