Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Étienne Deparis]

Hi,

If I’m not wrong, I think I just came across a little issue while 
using
HTML export in org mode.

As a french writer, we use a lot of non-breaking spaces¹ in 
various
situation. For exemple before double column or question mark:

    Ceci est un exemple :

    N’est-il pas interessant ?

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space

Above I use a "narrow no-breaking space", but historically other 
might
have used plain non-breaking space ( ).

However, after export all those spaces have disapeared. I cannot 
find
where in the code this replacement is made, thus if one know 
better how
the exporter run here, it would be great to share. It would let me 
try
to work around this.

By order of preference, I’d have expected:

- spaces to be replaced by their HTML entity (either   or 
   )
- spaces left as this (no replacement).

I’m also curious about the rational behind the replacement. Is 
this to
protect something?

Thank you very much for your help,

Étienne

Re: Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Ihor Radchenko]

Étienne Deparis <etienne@depar.is> writes:

>     Ceci est un exemple :
>
>     N’est-il pas interessant ?
> ...
> ...
> However, after export all those spaces have disapeared. I cannot 
> find
> where in the code this replacement is made, thus if one know 
> better how
> the exporter run here, it would be great to share. It would let me 
> try
> to work around this.

I cannot reproduce.
May you please provide more detailed steps starting from emacs -Q?
See https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

> - spaces to be replaced by their HTML entity (either &#8239; or 
>   &nbsp;)

You can achieve it using space entities.

> - spaces left as this (no replacement).

This is what should happen now.

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Re: Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Étienne Deparis]

mar. 27 juin 2023 à 12:54, yantar92@posteo.net a écrit :
>
> I cannot reproduce.

Oh, very sorry, actually it effectively leaves the spaces as this 
in the
output file. I was confused by Firefox, who makes the replacement 
🙁
(interpret non-breaking spaces UTF-8 char as breaking, and replace 
them
by regular space when copy/pasting text…).

Thus it means this is not an org mode issue, but more like a 
publication
process issue, and then…

>> - spaces to be replaced by their HTML entity (either   or
>>    )
>
> You can achieve it using space entities.

I’m not sure to understand your proposal: directly write   
into my
org document?

Actually I think I found the solution directly in the 
documentation¹
🤦. I’ve no idea how I skip it during my first search.

¹ https://orgmode.org/org.html#Filters-1

I’m sorry for the pollution on the list.

Étienne

Re: Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Ihor Radchenko]

Étienne Deparis <etienne@depar.is> writes:

>>> - spaces to be replaced by their HTML entity (either &#8239; or
>>>   &nbsp;)
>>
>> You can achieve it using space entities.
>
> I’m not sure to understand your proposal: directly write &nbsp; 
> into my
> org document?

You can write \nbsp{}.
See https://orgmode.org/manual/Special-Symbols.html

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Re: Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Max Nikulin]

On 27/06/2023 18:14, Étienne Deparis wrote:
> 
> Oh, very sorry, actually it effectively leaves the spaces as this in the
> output file. I was confused by Firefox, who makes the replacement 🙁
> (interpret non-breaking spaces UTF-8 char as breaking, and replace them
> by regular space when copy/pasting text…).

I do not see any issue with Firefox. It might be OS or locale-dependent 
however.

Copy from Firefox running as en_US.UTF-8 on Linux and pasting to Emacs 
preserves "NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE" (`describe-char').

Re: Preserving non breaking spaces in HTML export (maybe other?)

[Max Nikulin]

On 27/06/2023 18:14, Étienne Deparis wrote:
> 
> Oh, very sorry, actually it effectively leaves the spaces as this in the
> output file. I was confused by Firefox, who makes the replacement 🙁
> (interpret non-breaking spaces UTF-8 char as breaking, and replace them
> by regular space when copy/pasting text…).

I do not see any issue with Firefox. It might be OS or locale-dependent 
however.

Copy from Firefox running as en_US.UTF-8 on Linux and pasting to Emacs 
preserves "NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE" (`describe-char').