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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320561 Archived-At: Hi Po Lu, * Po Lu [2024-06-23; 21:40 +08]: > Scarce are the keys that are not bound by default, and therefore may be > customized by users without risking departures in their Emacs sessions > from the expectations of users trained and pastured on uncustomized > sessions. This is just one, and by far not the most compelling, of many > objections to introducing new default keybindings, but one of which a > recent example comes to mind: C-x x u has for many years been bound in > my sessions to a command that deletes a buffer's undo list, usually in > the interests of security. The consequences of a stranger's > unsuspectingly typing the same to invoke rename-uniquely might easily > have been catastrophic. why would strangers type anything in your (resp my) personally customized emacs session? I wouldn't want that to happen. Regards, Gregor