From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs ffi Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:21:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87r0ansxc0.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <864j7qhup6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5hi0yts.fsf@valhala.localdomain> <86y152ge0b.fsf@gnu.org> <86jzgjfwqp.fsf@gnu.org> <87sev78arx.fsf@gmail.com> <86le0z89u1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o75v87n1.fsf@gmail.com> <86frr786k7.fsf@gnu.org> <86frr66s0o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15261"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:KyAt/y6VzQBo4SRmktqkAyolTto= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 17 07:41:00 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sfCBQ-0003lG-PI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2024 07:41:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sfCBE-0004LN-Vk; Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sf94y-0002o3-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sf94w-0000OJ-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sf94u-0007NB-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:22:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:40:46 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322817 Archived-At: Emacs is not the only free software out there, how does everyone else do this? In Debian we opt-in with non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list e.g. with a line like this: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware Using this command, you can see that they give the user access to software repositories of a size that is mindboggling. Do they have another policy than Emacs? Also, are there no free or FOSS libraries we can start with, and possibly upgrade later if the others really are superior? IME when people say the proprietary version is much better, like for CAD and such specific applications, where the free/FOSS world is supposedly behind - I dont know who can tell, but what we have is good enough. Is the situation not the same for libraries? Here is the shell command. Yes $ apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l 64 986 - that is amazing digit to behold. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal