bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

[Stefan Kangas]

Severity: wishlist

We usually delete libraries obsoleted 10 years ago at the time of a new
Emacs release.  This should mean that anything made obsolete before
24.5, released on 2015-04-10, are candidates for deletion in Emacs 31.

This is the full list of such libraries:

    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el
    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el
    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el
    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el
    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el
    24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el
    24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el
    24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el
    24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el

1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see
   Bug#36260).

2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and
   even recommends it in certain cases.

3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm
   assuming this objection this still stands.

Are there any other blockers or considerations?

bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

[Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Are there any other blockers or considerations?

pgg is still being used.  Please don't delete it on impulse.

bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700
> 
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el
>     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el
>     24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el
>     24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el
>     24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el
> 
> 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see
>    Bug#36260).
> 
> 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and
>    even recommends it in certain cases.
> 
> 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm
>    assuming this objection this still stands.
> 
> Are there any other blockers or considerations?

I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone.

bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

[Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el
> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el
> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el
> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el
> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el
> >     24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el
> >     24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el
> >     24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el
> >     24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el
> >
> > 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see
> >    Bug#36260).
> >
> > 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it,
> and
> >    even recommends it in certain cases.
> >
> > 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm
> >    assuming this objection this still stands.
> >
> > Are there any other blockers or considerations?
> 
> I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone.

FWIW, I uploaded info-edit.el and iswitchb.el to
Emacs Wiki.  There are wiki pages that refer to
them and code on the wiki that uses them.

Dunno whether other 31-removed libraries should
similarly be archived/uploaded.  I'm not familiar
with them.

bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31

[Stefan Kangas]

Version: 31.1

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> pgg is still being used.  Please don't delete it on impulse.

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone.

Thanks, so after 2 weeks of feedback, we seem to have consensus around
deleting 12 out of 25 of these obsolete libraries.

This is the full list of libraries to delete:

    cc-compat.el
    info-edit.el
    meese.el
    otodo-mode.el
    rcompile.el
    sup-mouse.el
    terminal.el
    vi.el
    vip.el
    ws-mode.el
    yow.el

Now done (commit 685ec273ecb).  I'm therefore closing this bug report.