From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lee Sau Dan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Efficient Emacs usage? Date: 24 Nov 2004 11:30:19 +0800 Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Message-ID: <87pt239b5g.fsf@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> References: <87vfbx0zuc.fsf@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1101275163 18392 80.91.229.6 (24 Nov 2004 05:46:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 06:45:52 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CWpyR-00083c-00 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:45:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CWq7Z-0002x6-Vy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:55:18 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 64 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gela.informatik.uni-freiburg.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:126858 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22259 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22259 >>>>> "FCC" =3D=3D FCC writes: FCC> I did not know about this, sounds really cool. I will try FCC> it. My feelings toward Windows has never been very positive, FCC> especially suffering the ordeal of typing up a descent MS FCC> thesis under MS Word in 1995. I did my final year project report in the same year, and I did it in LaTeX. I think I was the only one in the class to use LaTeX. Another classmate knew LaTeX and could use it, but chose to write his report in Word (6.0). He regretted! Crashes, loss of data, bad-looking output. That was the first time I use LaTeX seriously. Before that, I used Word 6.0, and was complaining all the time why it is so slow and the output is so bad. Add that to the occasional (not as frequent as I see in Win95 and later) GPF of Win 3.1. Once I've got Linux installed (I could already use LaTeX on SUN workstations then), I switched to LaTeX completely. No need to look back. (I did like Word Perfect 5.1 on DOS. But Word Perfect 6.0 started to get a bloated interface similar to MS Word. So, I gave it up and switched to Word 6.0, so that I could share files with classmates.) FCC> But like many people I come from a DOS background, and I FCC> have met Unix much later in my university life,=20 Being a computer science major, I got my first unix account in the first year of university. (The computer centre also offered unix accounts to all students and staff. So, I got 2 unix accounts when I entered the university!) FCC> and I was never able to own one (unfortunately).=20 I also thought I couldn't, until I learnt about Linux in late 1993. In summer 1994, after all exams, I spared the money to upgrade my 486's RAM from 4MB to 16MB and bought an additional harddisk. Then, I installed Slackware. I was so happy to be able to have unix on my own PC! (I did have Minix installed for the OS course, but Minix is really mini. Like a kids version of an OS.) FCC> Finally there is Linux, but with no descent debugger! Let us FCC> face it, MS Visual C/C++/Fortran IDE has a fabulous debugger FCC> that is graphical... Emacs is a much better IDE. And I can read my mails in it. FCC> I agree that PCL-CVS is indispensible for software FCC> development, and I actively use it. Good point here, thanks. For users of subversion, there is an equivalent package that provides a similar interface. (svn has a (CLI) user interface quite close to CVS already.) Not bundled with Emacs, but works great! --=20 Lee Sau Dan =A7=F5=A6u=B4=B0 ~= {@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee