Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões]

Hi, all.

I compiled emacs cvs head without problems under Tiger using --without-x 
and --with-carbon. It works very well, but I have a slight problem with 
faces.

The default font used is too small. When I try to change the font used, 
or if I try to change its size I loose extended ascii characters (like 
'ç' or 'ã'). They appear as a small rectangle/box.

Anybody has any idea why this happens?

Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Alberto
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                  Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal

Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões]

Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
> Am 16.06.2005 um 11:41 schrieb Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões:
> 
>> The default font used is too small. When I try to change the font 
>> used, or if I try to change its size I loose extended ascii characters 
>> (like 'ç' or 'ã'). They appear as a small rectangle/box.
>>
>> Anybody has any idea why this happens?
> 
> 
> The default font comes from the bitmap etl font family (GNU Intlfonts); 
> it has obviously some very good support built into Emacs. When you're 
> going to use any of the Mac fonts you should use MacRoman encoding in 
> your text files. Every non-Mac encoding (non-MacGreek, MacJapanese, 
> MacChinese, MacKorean, MacCyrillic ...) is not really supported in 
> Carbon Emacs -- the legacy of QuickDraw!
> 
> Do you know how to create your own fontsets in Carbon Emacs?

No. Is there any way where I can find a howto or tutorial?

Thanks,
Alberto

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Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 16.06.2005 um 12:26 schrieb Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões:

> No. Is there any way where I can find a howto or tutorial?
>

Not yet, because Carbon Emacs is an impasse (Unicode Emacs 23 will use 
ATSUI). Generally you check the functions' documentation and get lost 
in it. (After years of this abuse you might feel different.)

First you'll need to know what your Mac is offering: M-x set-frame-font 
TAB TAB and go to the *Completions* buffer. Save it to a name you've 
checked and even better: set and put into a register before (if you try 
to expand some file name the *Completions* buffer's contents will be 
overwritten with new contents).

Now you can start to write an Elisp file with a contents like (notice 
the two different functions):

	(create-fontset-from-fontset-spec
	"-*-andale mono-medium-r-*-*-0-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-10pt_andale_mono,
              latin-iso8859-1:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              latin-iso8859-2:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              latin-iso8859-3:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              latin-iso8859-4:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
           cyrillic-iso8859-5:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             arabic-iso8859-6:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              greek-iso8859-7:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             hebrew-iso8859-8:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              latin-iso8859-9:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             latin-iso8859-12:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             latin-iso8859-13:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             latin-iso8859-14:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             latin-iso8859-15:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
             latin-iso8859-16:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              mac-roman-lower:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
              mac-roman-upper:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
       mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
       mule-unicode-2500-33ff:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
       mule-unicode-e000-ffff:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
                   iso10646-1:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
                        ascii:-*-andale 
mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman" )
;
	(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
"-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"    	   	     	  nil 
"09pt_Mmonaco")
	(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
"-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"   	   	     	  nil 
"10pt_Mmonaco")
	(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
"-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"   	   	     	  nil 
"11pt_Mmonaco")

The first function only uses the bitmaps provided in the font suitcases 
(.dfont files in Mac OS X), i.e. you can set different size values but 
in the end you have always the same size on screen -- except Carbon 
Emacs chooses to take some non-existing glyph from another font! This 
one can be right-sized then. This function was intended to support 
non-Mac encodings, but it fails IMO.

The second function does a better job in sizes. It too fails for 
non-Mac encodings. The ``M´´ in the fontset names was chosen to make 
them distinct and to see immediately how they were defined (with 
Minimal effort). Could be you need to set for these to work

	(defvar scalable-fonts-allowed t)

Finish the Elisp file with

	(provide 'site-fontsets-carbon)

put it in the load-path (C-h v load-path RET) outside the application 
bundle and put into .emacs:

	(require 'site-fontsets-carbon)

in a clause for not launching it in Terminal. GNU Emacs compiled for 
X11 supports Unicode glyphs *much* better! Have you found transparancy? 
(setq mac-transparency-alpha 80)


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Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Alberto Simões]

Hi, again.
Got some time for tests, and these are my problems:

. I didn't understand if I should choose from one of the second 
approach. I tried the second one, adding to my .emacs:

(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans 
mono-medium-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                          nil 
"09pt_Bitstream")
(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans 
mono-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         nil 
"10pt_Bitstream")
(create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans 
mono-medium-r-*-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         nil 
"11pt_Bitstream")

(defvar scalable-fonts-allowed t)

But now, I do not know what to do with these fontsets to activate them

Thanks
Alberto

Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
> Am 16.06.2005 um 12:26 schrieb Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões:
> 
>> No. Is there any way where I can find a howto or tutorial?
>>
> 
> Not yet, because Carbon Emacs is an impasse (Unicode Emacs 23 will use 
> ATSUI). Generally you check the functions' documentation and get lost in 
> it. (After years of this abuse you might feel different.)
> 
> First you'll need to know what your Mac is offering: M-x set-frame-font 
> TAB TAB and go to the *Completions* buffer. Save it to a name you've 
> checked and even better: set and put into a register before (if you try 
> to expand some file name the *Completions* buffer's contents will be 
> overwritten with new contents).
> 
> Now you can start to write an Elisp file with a contents like (notice 
> the two different functions):
> 
>     (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec
>     "-*-andale mono-medium-r-*-*-0-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-10pt_andale_mono,
>              latin-iso8859-1:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              latin-iso8859-2:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              latin-iso8859-3:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              latin-iso8859-4:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>           cyrillic-iso8859-5:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             arabic-iso8859-6:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              greek-iso8859-7:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             hebrew-iso8859-8:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              latin-iso8859-9:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             latin-iso8859-12:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             latin-iso8859-13:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             latin-iso8859-14:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             latin-iso8859-15:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>             latin-iso8859-16:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              mac-roman-lower:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>              mac-roman-upper:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>       mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>       mule-unicode-2500-33ff:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>       mule-unicode-e000-ffff:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>                   iso10646-1:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman,
>                        ascii:-*-andale 
> mono-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-100-mac-roman" )
> ;
>     (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
> "-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                          
> nil "09pt_Mmonaco")
>     (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
> "-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         
> nil "10pt_Mmonaco")
>     (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font 
> "-*-monaco-medium-r-*-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         
> nil "11pt_Mmonaco")
> 
> The first function only uses the bitmaps provided in the font suitcases 
> (.dfont files in Mac OS X), i.e. you can set different size values but 
> in the end you have always the same size on screen -- except Carbon 
> Emacs chooses to take some non-existing glyph from another font! This 
> one can be right-sized then. This function was intended to support 
> non-Mac encodings, but it fails IMO.
> 
> The second function does a better job in sizes. It too fails for non-Mac 
> encodings. The ``M´´ in the fontset names was chosen to make them 
> distinct and to see immediately how they were defined (with Minimal 
> effort). Could be you need to set for these to work
> 
>     (defvar scalable-fonts-allowed t)
> 
> Finish the Elisp file with
> 
>     (provide 'site-fontsets-carbon)
> 
> put it in the load-path (C-h v load-path RET) outside the application 
> bundle and put into .emacs:
> 
>     (require 'site-fontsets-carbon)
> 
> in a clause for not launching it in Terminal. GNU Emacs compiled for X11 
> supports Unicode glyphs *much* better! Have you found transparancy? 
> (setq mac-transparency-alpha 80)
> 
> 
> There is also this (archive is slow):
> 
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> 
>   Pete
> 
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>     Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and 
> then.
> 

-- 
Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho
                  Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal

Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 24.06.2005 um 15:55 schrieb Alberto Simões:

> But now, I do not know what to do with these fontsets to activate them
>

Usually S-down-mouse-1 invokes mouse-set-font, which pops up a menu 
from which you can choose fonts or fontsets. You can add fontsets to 
these alists (I have Carbon Emacs 22 and 23, mEV is (defconst mEV 
(emacs-version) DOCSTRING)):

         (setq initial-frame-alist '(
           (mouse-color    . "midnightblue")
           (foreground-color . "grey20")
           (background-color . "alice blue")
           (if (string-match "22" mEV)
             (font . "fontset-13pt_courier_new")
             (font . "fontset-10pt_monotype_courier"))
           (top . 10) (left . 650) (width . 91) (height . 60)))
         (setq default-frame-alist '(
           (background-color . "ghost white")
           (foreground-color . "grey10")
           (vertical-scroll-bars . left)
           (cursor-color . "purple")          (cursor-type . box)
           (if (string-match "22" mEV)
             (font . "fontset-13pt_courier_new")
             (font . "fontset-09pt_bitstream_courier"))
           (top . 20) (left . 150) (width . 89) (height . 56)))


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Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Takashi Hiromatsu]

Please try Carbon Emacs Package that has many pre-defined fontsets by
carbon-font.el
    http://home.att.ne.jp/alpha/z123/emacs-mac-e.html
    http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs-en/CarbonEmacsPackage

T.Hiromatsu

At Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:41:22 +0100,
Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, all.
> 
> I compiled emacs cvs head without problems under Tiger using --without-x 
> and --with-carbon. It works very well, but I have a slight problem with 
> faces.
> 
> The default font used is too small. When I try to change the font used, 
> or if I try to change its size I loose extended ascii characters (like 
> 'ç' or 'ã'). They appear as a small rectangle/box.
> 
> Anybody has any idea why this happens?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Kind regards,
> Alberto
> -- 
> Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho
>                   Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal
> 
> 
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> 

Re: Problems with Emacs CVS Head in MacOS (Carbon)

[Stefan Monnier]

> Got some time for tests, and these are my problems:

> . I didn't understand if I should choose from one of the second
>   approach. I tried the second one, adding to my .emacs:

> (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans
> mono-medium-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                          nil
> "09pt_Bitstream")
> (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans
> mono-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         nil
> "10pt_Bitstream")
> (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font "-*-bitstream vera sans
> mono-medium-r-*-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman"                         nil
> "11pt_Bitstream")

> (defvar scalable-fonts-allowed t)

> But now, I do not know what to do with these fontsets to activate them

Please send these (and everything else related to Emacs-CVS, as explained
in the INSTALL.CVS file) to emacs-devel@gnu.org or emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
(via M-x report-emacs-bug) so that the maintainers can actually fix the
problems you're seeing before the release.


        Stefan