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From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de>, Daiki Ueno <ueno@unixuser.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Fix needed for communication with gpg-agent
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:53:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ps81tfuy.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87slcynii0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu\, 22 Feb 2007 13\:40\:23 -0500")

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:40, cyd@stupidchicken.com said:

> In that case, I think Emacs should disable use of gpg-agent when
> running in a console, except when gpg-agent already has a passphrase
> cached.  Then all we need is some method for Emacs to determine if the

That is only a short term solution.  The goal of gpg-agent is to take
care of _all_ secret key[1] management.  gpg and gpgsm will delegate
all secret key operations to gpg-agent and nevermwork with a secret
key directly.  This is already the case for gpgsm, the S/MIME variant
of gpg.  As time permits this will be implemented in gpg too.  Using
gpg-agent as a passphrase cache for gpg is only a temporrary solution.

> > Is it possible to enhance server-start/emacsclient so that it does not
> > edit a file but asks for string and returns that one?  Pinentry could
> > then use this feature for user interaction.
>
> I'm not sure how this suggestion could work.

Recall that pinentry is called on the sole discretion of gpg-agent.
Only gpg-agent knows whether Pinentry needs to be called.

My suggestion is this:

 +-------+    +-----------+    +-----------+       +----------+
 | emacs | -> | gpg/gpgsm | -> | gpg-agent | ----> | pinentry |
 +-------+    +-----------+    +-----------+ (may) +----------+
     ^                                                  |
     |                                                  |
     +--------------------------------------------------+
           (some mechanism to loop back to emacs)

Pinentry uses this:

  if DISPLAY set
     Use GUI mode; no problem
  else if SOME_EMACS_ENVVAR set
     Loop back to emacs
  else 
     Use Curses

to decide wether that emacs loop back method is to be used.  It will
then ask emacs: Please create a form or a minibuffer with this or that
description and return the user input to me.

I don't know the emacsclient protocol and whether it can easiliy be
enhanced for that case.  To me this sounds like a viable solution
which does not require emacs to stop other processing if no pinentry
is required.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-02-23  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-17 20:57 Fix needed for communication with gpg-agent Richard Stallman
2007-02-18 17:42 ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-19 23:35   ` Miles Bader
2007-02-20  1:59     ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22 17:31       ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22 17:44         ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22 18:04         ` Werner Koch
2007-02-22 18:40           ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22 22:00             ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-22 22:47               ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 20:01                 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-24  8:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 22:09               ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 23:41                 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-25  4:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-25 19:32                     ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-25 19:50                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-02-25 20:22                         ` David Kastrup
2007-02-26  3:27                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-26 10:27                         ` Werner Koch
2007-02-27  7:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-27  8:53                             ` Werner Koch
2007-02-28  2:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23  8:53             ` Werner Koch [this message]
2007-02-23 10:27               ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-23 16:23               ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 16:47                 ` Werner Koch
2007-02-23 19:37                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 20:10                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-23 22:10                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 22:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 23:03                     ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 17:13           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-02-23 18:30             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-23 18:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-24 14:08             ` Miles Bader
2007-02-23 19:35         ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-20 13:43     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-20 15:35       ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-21  8:37         ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-21 12:04           ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22 17:21             ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-20 15:11   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-20 15:45     ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-21  8:37     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-21 13:11       ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22  7:19         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <E1HJCsN-000541-DO@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-02-21 22:41     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-02-21 23:15       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-22  0:14         ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-22  8:04           ` Werner Koch
2007-02-22 12:09           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-22  8:13         ` Werner Koch
2007-02-23 10:22           ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 13:20             ` Werner Koch
2007-02-23 16:40               ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 22:09               ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 19:36           ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-23 23:25             ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-23 23:58               ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-24  0:19                 ` Chong Yidong
2007-02-24  0:57                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-24  9:58                     ` Sascha Wilde

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