a month or two back i posted a patch for comment but recevied no replies. i've twiddled it further and post again, including a suitable ChangeLog entry this time: * elisp.texi (Top): Remove "Saving Properties" from detailed menu. * files.texi (Format Conversion): Expand intro. Add documentation for annotations handling, and subsection "Piecemeal Specification". * hooks.texi: Xref "Format Conversion" , not "Saving Properties". * text.texi (Text Properties): Remove "Saving Properties" from menu. (Saving Properties): Delete node/subsection. what do you think? thi