From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Bazaar repository Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: <87prtq20l7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87skyvse7k.fsf@xmission.com> <200803180148.m2I1m0dB003724@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87fxuoznk2.fsf@red-bean.com> <87wsnzi7z0.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87y78e4xoz.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205940662 7057 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2008 15:31:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 19 16:31:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-forward.uio.no ([129.240.10.42]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jc0G3-0006Tn-Ex for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:31:15 +0100 Original-Received: from mail-mx2.uio.no ([129.240.10.30]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc0FU-0002P4-25 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:30:40 +0100 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by mail-mx2.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc0FT-0003qx-Bb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:30:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc0FP-0007Yw-Nq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc0FE-0007WZ-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc0F9-0007Sj-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc0F8-0007SD-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc0F7-0001EZ-4M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so248556nfh.26 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.78.187.17 with SMTP id k17mr1279070huf.7.1205940616088; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [78.113.180.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm478909muh.11.2008.03.19.08.30.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1D2C157978; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:30:12 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:49:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: pass (mail-mx2.uio.no: domain of gnu.org designates 199.232.76.165 as permitted sender) client-ip=199.232.76.165; envelope-from=emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org; helo=lists.gnu.org; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1) X-UiO-Scanned: 39142B0A910119500490C9BB335565DACB3B556E X-UiO-SR-test: A9232C2E17212D1A4F96820A10615362F9DDCCB9 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 199.232.76.165 spam_score: -9 maxlevel 200 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 9 total 43745 max/h 424 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92981 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > Also, that every dVCS is flexible enough to adapt does not mean that > all workflows are equally practical or easy to follow with any of > them. True. > Were this not the Emacs project, determining the workflow and choosing > the tool that best matches it would seem preferable to trying to > shoehorn this or that tool to the desired workflow. My guess is that the collective workflow will change after the switch. My point was to try thinking about such possible changes, depending on what people think of the current workflow. > I don't think we're at that point yet. We're at the point were normal > operations are slow because of the Emacs' repository size and long > history. At least, that's what it seems from the comments so far. Okay. Hopefully bzr will improve quickly. > Agreed. But there are relatively few, very specific parts of Emacs > that suffer this problem: gnus, org, etc. Right. But think of the work on the rmail-mbox-branch. If this branch was really an independant subproject (like Gnus), it would help people jumping in. >> I propose to think about what a _distributed_ VCS >> would be really useful for as a collective tool, in hope that such a >> discussion might give directions in the evaluation of bzr. > > That kind of discussion should be independent of the tool, shouldn't > it? Yes, sure. But it seems more useful to have this discussion instead of the git-bzr-mercurial debate... -- Bastien