From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:56:05 +0900 Message-ID: <87prt2droq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87tzig16o6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87od8ng92x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y77recuj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207554421 5901 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2008 07:47:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Reiner Steib To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 07 09:47:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jim4g-0004EH-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:47:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jim43-0002CX-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jim3y-0002CH-WB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jim3x-0002Bd-Du for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jim3x-0002BO-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jim3w-0004Ec-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jim3v-0006xU-Oo for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jim3s-0004DB-3K for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jim3m-0004Bi-Gi; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:34 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4141535B3; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:46:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F89B1A29F3; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:56:05 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 2785829fe37c XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94555 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21919 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > But that's the issue: if sending mail works "reliably" from "emacs -Q" > there's no need for "load .emacs". That's your issue, which I agree is an issue, though I don't see how you propose to address it via "load .emacs". My issue is that I wouldn't wish sendmail.el on my worst enemy, let alone an innocent newbie, and most especially not on an innocent newbie who's gotten used to message-mode. > The case when there's an error is the easy one. The problem is when > sendmail accepts the mail and then silently drops it, I don't see how we can detect that from Emacs, let alone prevent it. > sends it to someone who'll drop it as "spam", PEBKAC, not solvable at our end AFAICS. > sends it to a black hole that nobody will ever look at (e.g. a > local mailbox). PEBKAC, not solvable at our end AFAICS. In both cases I claim are PEBKAC, the user should be using report-emacs-bug (or whatever it may be called nowadays), which should set up the To header correctly.