From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: breadcrumbs for Info . . . . . . Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:23:07 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87prqir39k.fsf@jurta.org> References: <009d01c8cb55$13d53e20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87fxrkltma.fsf@jurta.org> <00ae01c8cb71$c26aeef0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <873ankqou6.fsf@jurta.org> <00d901c8cbc9$7df36fb0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87tzfzk331.fsf@jurta.org> <00a501c8ccdd$93328720$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <002401c8cd1f$98631650$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <004a01c8cd67$b2f7a9c0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00b101c8cda2$63175a50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00b601c8ce03$6c7db2e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00c501c8ce43$8e81c8a0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87myln35v0.fsf@jurta.org> <00de01c8ceba$14b786f0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213554319 7367 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2008 18:25:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Stefan Monnier' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 15 20:26:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7wvR-0005ln-9j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:26:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wud-00060O-3L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wtD-0005KT-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wtA-0005J2-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54103 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wtA-0005Ih-6I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:40 -0400 Original-Received: from anti-4.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.202]:54513) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7wtA-0003rH-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by anti-4.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K7wt7-0007on-QV; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:23:38 +0300 In-Reply-To: <00de01c8ceba$14b786f0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:33:18 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 8fcfa5a562f326ba64a474cd1db6e25e X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 3134 [June 15 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99266 Archived-At: >> > Better to show the information, wrapping it as needed - >> > least surprise. >> >> IIUC, there is no problem now. The maximal level depth in >> Texinfo is 4. So the current default breadcrumbs depth will >> display all nodes for the maximal allowed depth. > > No. Four possible section levels + one top level = 5. As I said: > >> I'd suggest therefore getting rid of the depth user option >> altogether. If you feel you must keep it, then please make >> its default value 5, which includes everything (the 4 possible >> section levels plus the top level). By default, at least, >> no breadcrumb nodes should be elided. > > For example, visit node `General VC Options' in the Emacs manual. You get this > with the default value of 4 for `Info-breadcrumbs-depth': > > > (emacs)Top > ... > Version Control > Customizing VC > General VC Options This is not what I get with Info-breadcrumbs-depth = 4. Instead, I see the full line like below: > With a value of 5, you get this instead: > > (emacs)Top > Files > Version Control > Customizing VC > General VC Options Now I incremented the default value to 4, so with the maximal depth of 4 actually there is no eliding now by default. In my tests, the length of the breadcrumbs line rarely approaches 80 columns. However, if this will cause a real problem then maybe instead of the number of nodes Info-breadcrumbs-depth should specify the maximal length of the breadcrumbs line measured in characters (this is easy to calculate). > (Stefan has agreed to remove the initial `> '.) OK, now removed the initial `> '. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/