From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:05:21 +0900 Message-ID: <87prpgrm7i.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216083951 31628 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 01:05:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 03:06:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIZ00-00059z-Mf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:06:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35490 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIYz8-0004cn-Fm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIYz2-0004ce-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIYz1-0004cK-FX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40384 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIYz1-0004cH-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:44499) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIYyw-0007of-Ae; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.237.77.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.237.77] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KIYyo-0000dB-Ok; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:05:22 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 580592F3A; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:05:21 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:54:50 +0900") Original-Lines: 17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100707 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > N.B. I come not to praise the Debian Emacs Policy, but to give it its > due: it's a reasonable compromise for the vast majority of users of > Emacsen. My impression is that debian's emacs _policy_ is more or less OK, and it's a good thing they have one, but the last time I bothered to really look, the code implementing it was a huge mess. I asked about it then on debian-emacsen, and the basic response was "we don't really understand it either". I hope it's better these days... -Miles -- Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.