From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:46:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87pror5vbg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217689161 23424 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2008 14:59:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen Eilert" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 02 17:00:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KPIaY-0008TE-VV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:00:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57094 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPIZe-0007wu-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:59:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPIN9-0001I1-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPIN7-0001Hp-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37603 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPIN7-0001Hm-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:46:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]:19588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPIN7-0001ql-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:46:17 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so737917fgb.30 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=78FB1z46A23rsCuW3qVAYQYm46+Xcj6vMzzrf/XIvHM=; b=TfMrzpXeSwrmycFqPbYN8KgYuIFsq5B8883V4qu3+zkuyRYSO9nyLqzaKblIDQg7ud 3qw1CP8OOGUjv/w/V11SwHdLGk5PuDcZNh9es/HixEuAdx95bUY8EcirUv0abfWalzSE wgK960wCX9mdMeNCwuY7LLlgr6CkfCqkJElCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=xHJzMchrcEkNmNuXws95Bim5Ctk9tsHeFNUpZbh/ZJ+SIyCv0yl1gk5/g9qWK1O1h4 wNzYFvt7EWFk4RhsqqZTO9de7yaCgiCpimfDUPy42oGfn7kZPbA9sPjSJtcUjlsWslgu 4ktB2vqTGDBwctkIf4Eyvl2D2tV+6CRLaNO48= Original-Received: by 10.86.98.10 with SMTP id v10mr8482897fgb.39.1217688375661; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm1764036fgg.0.2008.08.02.07.46.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> (Stephen Eilert's message of "Fri\, 1 Aug 2008 18\:27\:24 -0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:59:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101956 Archived-At: Hi, Stephen> Does anyone see a major flaw in a system like that? Or is it Stephen> a matter of "show me the code and I'll comment"? ELPA could Stephen> be the starting point. Tom is the right person to ask, but I have the feeling that 2 points at least need some special care : - autoloads, or more generally "package activation" - documentation, or "how to find in the Info system the entry to the documentation of the installed package" Other than that, a package management system would be of course incredibly useful to emacs. We may even, at some point, use it to lower the minimum size of the emacs base distribution. I often hear that emacs distribution bundles way too many packages. And I sometime experience this feeling too :) -- Paul