From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Choice of fonts displaying etc/HELLO Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:48:26 +0900 Message-ID: <87proglyxx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <48900ED2.2000703@gnu.org> <4890670C.9000009@gnu.org> <48906865.4000808@gnu.org> <48907856.6040308@gnu.org> <48930CE4.5080305@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218444526 21516 80.91.229.12 (11 Aug 2008 08:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 11 10:49:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KST5r-0007NW-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:49:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51022 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KST4u-0005dP-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KST4W-0005KJ-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:48:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KST4T-0005Gt-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:48:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35164 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KST4T-0005G6-9A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:48:09 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:52255) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KST4A-0005Rj-SX; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.97.237.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.97.237] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KST44-0001R0-6Y; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:47:44 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE7FADFB3; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:48:26 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:03:57 +0300") Original-Lines: 39 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102279 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > I meant would it break something if "\\cj" matched only the Katakana >> > and Hiragana characters instead of what it matches today? >> >> I don't know what it would break, but that doesn't seem like >> particularly intuitive behavior. > > ??? Why not? Because Japanese as a language uses more than just Katakana and Hiragana. You are (apparently) suggesting that \\cj match only characters that are _uniquely_ japanese, and while that might be an interesting predicate in some cases, it doesn't seem particularly useful in general (well to me anyway). If there's any use at _all_ for the \\c feature, then it should match how japanese is actually written, rather than "a random subset which happens to be trivial to implement from the set of data we have available today". >> I think emacs' concept of characters belonging to multiple language >> categories is pretty neat actually. > > Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how the fact that, say, > Cyrillic characters are claimed to belong to Japanese category could > be considered ``neat''. I didn't say that all the particular results of that functionality were good -- cyrillic as japanese is one example of where it's silly. However the _ability_ to have characters belong to multiple categories is a good thing, and I think it fits the natural way people think of them. -Miles -- Idiot, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling.