From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87prj8fmx4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> References: <87zlies8wo.fsf@xemacs.org> <87iqp0syet.fsf@xemacs.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230733140 8902 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2008 14:19:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 31 15:20:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LI1vZ-0000sU-WD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42540 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LI1uM-00013b-1l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LI1u8-00012u-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LI1u5-00012S-1D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41165 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LI1u4-00012P-PY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:32 -0500 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]:54972) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LI1u2-0002jW-B1; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:30 -0500 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD7D957E211; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:18:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87iqp0syet.fsf@xemacs.org> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:31:54 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107458 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > I don't care what the interface is called. But my feeling is that the > primary UI operation here is "withdrawing a frame", and that whether > the process gets STOPed or not is an implementation detail. On a tty, you want to withdraw all the frames in one go, so conceptually that's equivalent to withdrawing the terminal; on a graphical display, that's not so useful, and it would be a nuisance if C-z iconfified all frames instead of just the current frame. On a graphical display, you want to withdraw individual frames; on a tty, that's not at all useful, and it would be a nuisance if C-z acted on single frames.