From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Rockway Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: <87prc3s0gy.fsf@bar.jrock.us> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247588284 9832 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2009 16:18:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:18:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 18:17:57 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQkhY-0003mI-VH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38120 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQkhY-0008JS-9l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQkhO-0008Fn-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQkhI-0008C7-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55144 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQkhI-0008Bz-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:40 -0400 Original-Received: from dsl253-036-036.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.253.36.36]:40418 helo=bar.jrock.us) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MQkhH-0008V8-Sd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:17:40 -0400 Original-Received: by bar.jrock.us (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 017A174409D; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:33 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:44:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112453 Archived-At: * On Tue, Jul 14 2009, Richard Stallman wrote: > Another problem with Gnus maintenance is that, whenever they see the > need for some other feature, they add it to Gnus, without discussing > it with the Emacs maintainer, and without attempting to make the > package independent of Gnus. I think they want something that works first. Once the code works, it can be refactored to be generic. Some people don't want to discuss every minute detail of the code before they implement it. The bike shed can be painted after it's built. (Look at how long this thread is. Did all this discussion actually accomplish anything, or was it mostly a waste of time?) Anyway, I think the solution is to cleanup the Gnus code as needed rather than completely rewrite it from scratch and call it something else. I can't speak for the Gnus developers, but I'm sure they would appreciate the help. The point of free software is that the users can improve the code; so that it works better, or so that it can be used somewhere else more generically. Right? Regards, Jonathan Rockway -- print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"