From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:06:14 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117490 Archived-At: Sebastian Rose writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >> >>> David Kastrup writes: >>> > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>> >>> > > I meant pre-existing corruption [...] >>> > >>> > That interpretation is not the business of the editor. >>> >>> Precisely my point. The editor has *no* way to interpret at the point >>> of encountering the invalid sequence, and therefore it should *stop* >>> and ask the user what to do. That doesn't mean it should throw away >>> the data, but it sure does mean that it should not continue as though >>> there is valid data in the buffer. >>> >>> Emacs is welcome to do that, but I am sure you will get bug reports >>> about it. >> >> Why would we get a bug report about Emacs saving a file changed only in >> the locations that the user actually edited? >> >> People might complain when Emacs does not recognize some encoding >> properly, but they certainly will not demand that Emacs should stop >> working altogether. > > > People do indeed complain on the emacs-orgmode mailing list and I can > reproduce their problems. What meaning of "indeed" are you using here? This is a complaint about Emacs _not_ faithfully replicating a byte pattern that it expects to be in a particular encoding. > http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg19778.html > > I guess this is related? It is related, but it bolsters rather than defeats my argument. People don't _like_ Emacs to cop out altogether. -- David Kastrup