From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:05:06 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87pr37jh99.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20100314093329.GA1362@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268565019 476 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2010 11:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:10:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 14 12:10:15 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqli1-0007Kt-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:10:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqli0-0005A6-Rd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqlhw-00059l-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:10:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48681 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqlhu-00059T-Qx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:10:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqlht-0002mx-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:10:06 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqlhs-0002mp-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqlhq-0007Hj-Sx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:10:02 +0100 Original-Received: from pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.6.1]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:10:02 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:10:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:10DXwgq2I0hhzoTK9tuHMh1zHeI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121945 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hi, everybody. > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 01:16:08PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > The problem is with how ``convenient'' is decided. I suspect most >> > users nowadays will say that having the scroll bar on the right is >> > the most ``convenient''. > >> They may, but I suspect they can't actually say why... > > I can. On the right, the scroll bar doesn't get in the way, at least not > very much. On the left, it is very close to where you're mostly > inserting/deleting/reading text, and acts like a dripping tap, a sounding > foghorn, a nagging wife, some illocatable rotting fish. It takes over > your mind, reducing your concentration on what you're doing. It might help to reduce its size. I use --without-toolkit-scrollbars myself and additionally (setq-default scroll-bar-width 15) -- David Kastrup