From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: About Emacs Modernisation Project Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:44:09 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87pr0buopy.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <143c6d28-4423-4e43-9fc5-c0fb3340043b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <0e994fe3-6dde-449f-879d-6701c7a195a9@e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> <8639x7x3jj.fsf@gmail.com> <87iq63wsvt.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <49573280-66a9-40a8-b556-be598a559cdc@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291835615 31733 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 19:13:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:13:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 20:13:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPSF-0002Su-9m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:13:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52320 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPSE-00017W-Dc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:13:30 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Trace: individual.net Q6G9Ya034MIaQvRyIaaOgQ5gai+8eYmVgeo2ZksqifzD6ncb3k Cancel-Lock: sha1:OTg1MTQ4MTg2ZTFmMmYzZThjYWY2MzMwZWY2NWE3Yjk1YTlhN2M1ZQ== sha1:4rPESHk2/9xvExrgdoYQgKXkCos= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.101 (Gnus v5.10.10) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178516 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75863 Archived-At: LanX writes: >> This feature is called "homoiconicity". > > I understand your point, but IMHO for most code users write, they > don't need to eval code at runtime (which all script languages I know > can do BTW) > > I have not doubt that it is a castration of LISP's possibilities to > allow users to write > > function( [1,2,3], {k=>v}) > > which is then translated to > > (function '(1 2 3) (k . v) ) > > before compilation. > > IMHO this plus some flow control already covers everything most users > ever want. Do you realize that lisp is actually a very small core language? (eval fits on a single page). All the rest, the lisp programming language you _use_ is not this core lisp, it's only _MACROS_! And for them it is essential to have homoiconicity. Even if you don't write macros yourself you are constantly using them. Since (k . v) is not a form, what you call 'function' above MUST be a macro! -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/