From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'Lennart Borgman' <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pj@irregularexpressions.net,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:06:38 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqru7t4h.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00C8C02E21D240F0B8C2B80BBB2B4924@us.oracle.com>
Drew Adams writes:
> If key Alt-f4 is unbound and in `w32-passthrough-events' then Windows users who
> are Emacs newbies will not be surprised, but Emacs users will be surprised. If
> it is bound or it is not in `w32-passthrough-events' then Windows newbies to
> Emacs will be surprised, but Emacs users will not be surprised.
Sure, but surprising Emacs users doesn't matter much because *the key
is normally unbound*, and therefore they won't be stroking it. No
blood, no foul, play on. Surprising Windows users does matter because
*the key is normally bound*, and those who use that shortcut will be
mightily annoyed.
> What is the "least surprise" for our users? Does it mean preferentially (a)
> Windows users while learning Emacs or (b) most Emacs users most of the time? We
> can disagree.
Sure, you can disgree, but in the case of "keys that Emacs doesn't
bind" the logic above seems pretty compelling to me. Unless your goal
is to cause as much pain for newbies as possible as long as it doesn't
also cause pain for old farts (of whatever age)? That seems perverse
to me, though.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-18 4:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-17 20:31 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 0:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 0:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 1:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 1:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:14 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-18 9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15 ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 1:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10 ` grischka
2011-01-14 1:20 grischka
2011-01-05 14:48 Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 1:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 1:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 3:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 3:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29 ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-12 20:42 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13 2:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 3:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 3:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 4:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:12 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 5:02 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 8:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 9:25 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14 9:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:13 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 1:35 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 5:08 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15 0:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 1:40 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:52 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 8:06 ` jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 2:27 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 0:33 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17 1:41 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 8:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17 9:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15 2:38 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15 ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
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