From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8825: 24.0.50; Problem with builtin gnutls on Windows Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:17:05 -0500 Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87pqmljhf2.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307755246 13234 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2011 01:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8825@debbugs.gnu.org To: nyc4bos@aol.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 03:20:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCsP-0003qf-QP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:20:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49895 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCsP-0000fE-2x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:20:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCpw-0000LB-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCpu-0001pE-Hc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCpu-0001p9-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCpt-00034j-QC; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8825 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8825-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8825.130775503311767 (code B ref 8825); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8825) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2011 01:17:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCp7-00033k-9S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from z.lifelogs.com ([173.255.230.239]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QVCp6-00033a-3Q for 8825@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:17:12 -0400 Original-Received: from heechee (c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net [67.186.102.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tzz) by z.lifelogs.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE74A6200E; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:17:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: (nyc4bos@aol.com's message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:48:00 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:18:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:47081 Archived-At: (second try to post this, Gmane ate the first one) On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:48:00 -0400 nyc4bos@aol.com wrote: n> [Aside: Hopefully, we will continue to be able to use the external gnutls-cli n> if we wish when `(require 'gnutls)' is NOT specified (or a variable to n> the same effect) even when Emacs 24.1 is released. Thanks.] I'm not sure if that's a good idea. We've had many, many reports over the years of I/O and stability problems with that setup in Gnus (especially on W32). I'm not strongly opposed to it, but think it's counterproductive in the long run. `gnutls-cli' is just a simple wrapper around GnuTLS, so the Emacs support for GnuTLS should be fixed if it's missing features `gnutls-cli' has. Can you please follow up about this on emacs-devel? It's worth a discussion there; within this bug I fear many people would miss it. Ted